How is the public charging network there?
Pretty good. A large number of charging sites are owned by State Grid, the national electrical distribution network. There are large charging sites throughout major cities, and many parking garages for places like malls also have chargers so you can charge while you shop. And almost every rest area on the national expressway network (which is twice as large as the US Interstate system) has fast chargers.
Wow, companies without an inside line to the Chinese government are caught off-guard when the government changes its policies on private vehicle acquisition. Who’d have thought…
Lol. Few car companies have as long standing and deep a relationship with the Chinese government than VW. They were literally the first Western car company approached as part of China’s economic reforms starting in the 80’s and VW and Audi’s were official government vehicles for more than 3 decades. Like imagine if US government vehicles were all Toyota’s instead of GM’s and Ford’s.
when the government changes its policies on private vehicle acquisition
What specific policies are you referring to here that was aimed at screwing VW?
China is making a lot of super cheap EVs.
Nationalism and country disputes are also most reason why Japanese automakers and Hyundai sales only going worse, so they seem very difficult to stay in China.
VW still has chances to stay in China, but they really need to push harder in their EV effort.
Nationalism and country disputes are also most reason
If that’s the case Tesla wouldn’t be doing so well there.
It really is just because the Japanese and Koreans don’t have any value proposition in the Chinese market anymore.
They have neither the prestige of the European/American luxury brands nor the value and technology of domestic Chinese OEMs.
is it though? BYD will soon overtake Tesla at least in China. The OP’s nationalism arguement still stands
BYD is overtaking Tesla because they sell cars in every segment going up to entry level luxury while Tesla only sells entry level luxury and up cars.
Ford F-series is the best selling car in the US but that doesn’t mean Americans are nationalistic when it comes to cars.
BYDs are cheaper and are designed for the Chinese market, it’s a matter of time before they over take Tesla, a premium brand.
There are just no other non-premium EV brand on the planet that’s competitive.
If you wanna talk about pick-ups Ford F-series, Silverdoe and Ram all comfortably outsell Tundra and Tacoma
China’s leading the way (along with several US startups such as Tesla, Rivian, Lucid).
Drove VW’s ID.4 and was extremely disappointed given the price point. Nearly $50k, manual seats, smallish screens for an EV, sunroof optional, power liftgate optional, etc. plus the whole crappy dealer experience. The game has changed and I’m not sure that most of the traditional automakers have figured it out.
Can’t even play Cuphead on the infotainment system
Typical German car nickel and diming for every feature.
the launch edition ID3 only had speakers in the front, none in the back. This is a 40,000+ eur vehicle and it was the special edition launch model.
The last car I saw with that in the states was my college roommate’s base model 1996 Civic CX hatchback with manual steering
So much for “the people’s car”
I meam most of them are starting to pull out of the ev game. Plus its peoples preference, like i couldnt stand getting a tesla. I hate touchscreens in cars, its asinine.
Tesla handed the car industry to China on a silver platter. Not just did they dumb down interiors so that any material and quality advantage Europe has to China was gone, they also got rid of the technicalities of an ICE.
And then the world decided to give these cars subsidies so that China could take this advantage further. Crazy
Amazing what can happen when politicians don’t make everything a battleground. China is more forward thinking and progressive than the US has been since the 70s.
The gap only continues to widen as many politicians love dumbing down their voter bases.
The EV market is very saturated in China, too saturated in fact, hence why they are affordable. A lot of the Chinese manufacturers outside of the big players like BYD are losing money. In the US, there is lack of variety of models and Tesla dominates the market share.
There are several key factors why EV adoption in China is high. First, China actually invested in charging infrastructure, which is something the US is still significantly behind. The cost of charging in China is very cheap compared to fueling up. And one point that most people don’t realize is that the biggest hurdle to buying a car in China isn’t the car, but the license plate, which is obtained either through lottery or auction. A license plate from a first tier city can costs 5 figures in USD, and may also come with driving restrictions. Meanwhile, if you buy a EV, you get a special green license plate that doesn’t require lottery and has no special restrictions.
The infotainment system needs to be bigger so you can’t see out the window. The more distractions the better.
It’s weird how luxury brand like Audi and Mercedes now feel like old and unmodern. I know it’s not like that but their ev is lacking design. I love Mercedes c and e class design but their ev is straight up ugly.
VW is so slow to react. Since the moment the id3 and id4 were released buyers said they hated the capacitive controls, but it took VW a year to acknowledge the issue and then it’ll take another two for them to fix it, rather than just swapping the capacitive steering wheel controls for the button controls from the lower trims right away.
Maybe they should manufacture and sell the ID.2 in North America.
I want to buy one.
Idk how it looks in china, but I still do not see an EV as practical. Between charging times, and unknown dependability, im going to stay gas for the time being. One day, im sure, il be in an ev. But probably not for 10 to 20 years considering my current car is 20 years old
Not everyone’s use case is the same, so YMMV, but for most people it works just fine.
charging times
You plug in when you get home and leave it overnight. In the morning you’re full. This takes less effort than ever going to a gas station. Since it charges while you sleep, who cares if it takes 2 hours or 8. For fast charging, most modern EVs can go 20 to 80% full in about 30 minutes - and that will get you another 200-300 km (120-180mi) of driving. By the time you go poop and get a coffee - you’re ready to go for another 3 hours until your next poop/coffee break. It’s not THAT bad for that once a year roadie you do.
and unknown dependability
Theoretically, it’s better. Fewer moving parts to go wrong. A regular Lithium ion battery is good for around 800 cycles, give or take. An LFP battery will do 2000. Assuming 1 full charge will get you through a week of commutes, maybe another charge for your sunday funday, and let’s throw in 4 more for a regional road trip. That’s 110 charges per year – that’s 18 years. Most manufacturers will also give you an 8 year warranty on the battery, just in case. That is quite reasonable. Everything else is exactly the same as your old car.
China had sold a bunch of EVs, yes, but no one is actually driving them. They are just sitting in a parking lot left to rot. Serpentza has a good video about it.
Unironically you people are the biggest help that china can ever ask for.
Instead of taking a step back and try to learn where we fall short and acknowledge that china a equal rival with its own strength and weakness, we decide that it is best to put our head in the sands.
You people are the camouflage and smoke screen of china rise. Spewing BS such as “oh don’t worry, just 2 more weeks and they will break down” until we get caught with our pants down.
At least wumao demands 50 cent a comment while you work for free!
looking at your profile history you seem like a wumao. Commenting about chinese military equipment on tank subreddit. Yeah no surprise.
melts to death in chinese car lithium explosion
Lots of BYD and MG4 here in Australia. Never heard of such incident here.
Makes you wonder how much is real and how much is keyboard warriors shitting their pants at China’s rise and need to find excuses to make them feel better.
Note that ALL BYDs and the 51kwh MG battery pack are LFP - which is a much more stable chemistry. Has more recharge cycles. But also substantially less prone to catching fire in a crash.