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    2 months ago

    It’s not actually though. you’re confusing nordic welfare states for socialism, there are even variants of socialism like market socialism with none of these.

    Socialism is strictly about worker owned means of production.

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      you’re confusing nordic welfare states for socialism

      Nordic states reorganized themselves from feudal agrarian military economies into industrial social welfare economies over the course of the late 19th and 20th centuries. Their party politics and bureaucratic reorganization was explicitly informed by socialist theories and economic models devised during that time.

      Socialism is strictly about worker owned means of production.

      Strong unions, state owned industries, and Democratic governance gives working Scandenavians direct say over and profit from their local economies

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        2 months ago

        It being inspired by socialism doesn’t change the fact that the workers don’t own the means of production there and it is therefore not socialism. Them having more say because they have unions is not the same.

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          2 months ago

          workers don’t own the means of production

          Workers control the means of production through the democratic state

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            2 months ago

            they don’t though, they regulate it and apply some pressure, but these are still privately held, socialism is always in contrast to private ownership.

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              2 months ago

              socialism is always in contrast to private ownership

              The Nordic Model is public ownership of high value industry (most notably, the O&G industry). They also have universal healthcare and free education, which come as a byproduct of state owned and operated medical centers and schools. And strong union membership puts a public leash on private enterprises at the level of direct worker action.

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                2 months ago

                “The government controls around 35% of the total value of publicly listed companies on the Oslo stock exchange, with five of its largest seven listed firms partially owned by the state.[34]” good, but not socialism. Free healthcare and schools are not related to socialism.

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                    2 months ago

                    35% does not make worker ownership the principal aspect of the economy, thus it is not socialist.

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      I find myself correcting this misconception constantly. It is alarming how many people either don’t know or don’t understand what socialism actually means.

      People routinely label any government subsidy, welfare program, or public service that benefits the population as “socialism.” That is not what the term means. In political and economic theory, socialism is fundamentally about social or public ownership of the means of production, not simply the existence of government programs.

      I suspect the persistence of this misconception is a combination of confirmation bias, the Dunning–Kruger effect, and simple stubbornness.