So, your ethical/moral framework is optional. Only comes into play if there are no consequences or fallout from you doing the right thing. Got it.

I’m curious how it is you know that Americans aren’t already talking and planning insurrection, since it likely takes weeks to months to plan out. You just know, I guess. If some disingenuous Eurocunts halfway across the world don’t see direct evidence of what would be necessarily hidden activities, well then…

It’s almost like the most egregious and non-sensical anti-American comments in here are indistinguishable from the world-class paid trolling efforts of a couple of major players we’ve all heard of.

No, no, no…you’ve got it wrong. America is a perfectly representative democracy, so every American bears full responsibility for each and every transgression of it’s government or military. China and Russia are not, so only their governments and military are to blame, their citizens are blameless. Now, a more interesting question is how culpable are the rank and file citizens of Canada, Czechia, Albania, North Macedonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, whose governments support the USrael invasion? No doubt, the keyboard warriors will be along at any moment to shame them and demand they rise up against and replace their complicit governments.

You noticed that too…I guess being a cunt is the human condition. There are a lot of Americans doing something substantial right now. They get charged with terrorism if caught, and get zero honest or credible media coverage, but they are still out there engaging in real action. If everyone took it upon themselves to do whatever they could, instead of worrying/accusing everyone else of doing nothing, a lot more would get done.

I am responding to brynden here, but this is for anyone, especially those who believe the most moral choice in Nov 2024 was to vote third party or not at all…

Do you pay taxes to the US government? If you do, could you explain to me how not voting for Harris absolves you of moral culpability for genocide, but giving thousands of dollars every year to the Feds (who have always been controlled by a major party), who will use that money to directly fund genocide, doesn’t make you even more culpable than that single vote for Harris?

Do you all live off the grid on a barter system?

Is chemical castration, violence? I suppose it is. I would imagine the tech isn’t available to the general public anyway.

Yes, well. As I said, I suspect I share almost all the same opinions as you about this, except I don’t go around literally lashing out at everyone in earshot as “you fuckers” or “you genociders” before they have even opened their mouth. It’s a bit ridiculous and 95% of people are going to immediately believe write you off as a troll.

I will go ahead and type out your response to the above for you to save you some time: You: “What’s a bit ridiculous is that you genociders got exactly what you wanted all along…genocide!”

Interesting, based on what I have ready from you I suspect you and I are in agreement on most everything since you did actually pull the lever for harm reduction even though it made you sick. It made me sick in 2016 and 2020 when I did it. Before 2016 I had proudly never voted for a R or D at the national level.

I intended to vote for Harris soley for harm reduction, but I had to go into the emergency room on election morning and wasn’t released in time to vote. So, technically, I didn’t vote for a genocider. By your own logic, my hands are clean, and you are the genocider.

Of course, I don’t ascribe that logic to any of this. Absolutist, black and white, chimeric ethical or moral frameworks that can’t withstand the real world and have ultimately harmful outcomes are a luxury, if not an indulgence. Harm reduction, mutual aid, compassion, that’s what is left as real once you strip away all the bullshit.

Something else to think about? If you voted third party or sat out, your hands aren’t necessarily clean ofgenocide. Do you pay federal income tax?

I would argue that contributing thousands of unaccountable $ to the federal government which you know is going to engage in violence and empire building makes one much more morally culpable for US actions than a single vote for president in a single election.

Can those who think the moral action was to not vote at all or not vote D or R because that is support for genocide, but who pay federal income tax, care to explain how their hands are clean?

To bring it back to the trolley problem, it’s like refusing to pull the lever because to do so would be to acknowledge that the entire exercise is ethical or otherwise valid, while forgetting to mention that you personally financed that specific trolley and stretch of track.

I suspect there a certain kind of person that is only interested in taking moral or ethical stands if the personal consequences for doing so are zero. How long do we think it would take for either major party to start begging the electorate to tell them how to behave if a significant majority of the populace decided today to stop going to work and to stop paying any taxes?

Maybe if democrats credibly supported something other than genocide, more people would have voted against him.

Or, maybe if she had been unequivocally anti-genocide or even anti-funding Israel without checks or guarantees from Israel first, she would have lost even worse. Sad to think about, but close to 1/3 of the US is irredeemable deplorables who have been shamelessly propagandized for over 40 years by hate media. Your own argument seems to distill down to everyone is a genocider. Can you really say that she wouldn’t have lost more votes than she gained, and that the purity testers wouldn’t have just moved on to a different issue they had with her and still sat out on election day?

While you and I can look at this and go “Wow, that’s not logical, she’s way better than Trump”, the Democratic campaign should have had political scientists and psychologists that knew about this well-documented phenomenon. I imagine they did, and ignored it, because siding against Israel would’ve cost money.

At the very least maybe the Dem party should have been smart enough lie publically that they would censor Israel and reevaluate US support of Israel (even if they wouldn’t actually follow through). It’s almost like losing is preferable to risking any AIPAC $.

Imagine being so disingenuous that you actually believe (or at least want others to think you do) that we just didn’t know whether Trump would be worse than Harris on Palestine, Iran, and every other fucking thing possible for that matter. I never used to hold much creedence with the whole paid russian or chinese actors angle, even back in 2016. It is becoming more and more difficult to rationally explain how anybody actually living in the US could, with a straight face, make equivalency arguments between Trump and Clinton, Biden, or Harris. It does, however, seem like a perfectly rational act for foreign actors who just want to accelerate their replacement of the US as hegemon to take.

All true. And still, if one is a fucking adult, one can see that the GOP is now, quite literally, a facist party, and the Dems are still orders of magnitude less harmful. Once one is in that voting booth, one votes against the much worse party even if the alternative is still bad. I don’t care one criticizes the party up to the election, and swears up and down one didn’t vote Dem, or even lies and says they didn’t afterwards, one still votes Dem or they are simply demonstrating that they have enough privilege or insulation to ride out a fascist administration without much difficulty.

I heard somebody else here refer to Israel as depraved the other day in response to an Israeli business owner using a prisoner video to advertise their business. I thought it was a bit harsh, but they really are turning out to be a country of monsters. The US and Europe should cut all ties and throw them to the wolves. I am sure most of the world thinks of Israel and the US as interchangeable anyway. It feels like there is a cradle to grave culture of viciousness there that doesn’t exist in Europe or the US (or at least didn’t used to).

What about Roberts, though?!? He is sickening too!

When we finally start eating the rich, we will have readily available fires to cook them over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGbRZ73NvlY

Don’t forget, that piece of greasy shit, Kavanaugh was wailing like toddler when he thought the Supreme Court appointment that he was so entitled to might be taken from him. It demonstrated that he did not have anywhere near the temperament to be a judge, let along a supreme court justice after that unhinged rant he went on.

No, it doesn’t. In fact, Roberts should consider himself lucky it isn’t much worse, considering that he and 5 of his collegues are nothing more than activist political hacks, completely undeserving of the job.