This was this missing link in all of this. I have no idea, especially after the AMA when it became 100% clear Reddit would never change course with the API, that subreddit mods didn’t redirect people to discord/Lemmy/etc.

I have no idea why tech companies do this. Especially tech companies that aren’t even profitable yet. You’re not in the nft business and you will never be in the nft business. Improve your actual product, get profitable, then go with the dumb stuff like that.

Firefox mobile with uBlock origin is a fucking godsend, the mobile web is nigh unusable without it because of ads.

Yeah, honestly whether or not they back down or some solution is reached regarding the current situation, they will not stop aggressively monetizing users. A lot of veteran users will leave, some will stay or come back eventually, but I think pretty much every veteran user will be gone permanently if they get rid of old Reddit.

“no revenue impact so far” how is it possible to be this short sighted? Of course people using the official app and website without adblock won’t have gone anywhere. It wasn’t every subreddit, they’re probably just wondering why so many aren’t working. But if this continues, and tbh the damage is already done for a lot of people, users and moderators who generate the content and make the site usable for the zombies will leave and it will just become twitter 2.0, an increasingly bad shitshow, some subreddits will be left with no quality submissions at all.

Also: “still in conversation” with other third party apps? The entire point was to make the price so high they’d have to shut down. Plausible deniability I guess, and those other third party apps with way less users will probably just be able to sell subscriptions (can’t even use ads, though)

It will be no problem at all to find mods, what will be hard is finding good mods. You’ll have a lot of people who have 0 experience or are just genuine assholes moderating

Yeah this is what I keep thinking. Most people don’t contribute at all, and there’s “power submitters” who do most of the posts and top comments. With them gone, who’s actually gonna make content for people to view?

Unfortunately yeah :/ a few people I’ve talked to support the blackout but have never heard of Lemmy or the fediverse and presumably have no alternative

Not gonna lie I think I’m actually spending more time on Lemmy than Reddit, participating and trying to get discussions going, making content, etc. Just to try and get it active lol

Same. I’m done just being a content/ad zombie for them

I think another major miscalculation is there was no alternatives agreed on by consensus. For example, if they had said to everyone “go to Lemmy”, “go to discord” etc. Now there’s no alternative to a lot of subreddits, people will just wait it out and go back to the subreddits when they go back, or if they’re indefinitely suspended they’ll just make new subreddits.

Yeah, it’s a bit of a wake up call/eye opener for me. Why would I stay on a site that fully adheres to the rule “if a service is free, the user is the product”. When there’s now perfectly good non profit alternatives. Also, this is why Facebook/Twitter/Google etc need to either stay well away from the fediverse or just get defederated. As soon as they start participating they’ll just start taking over and trying to monetize the platform.

Yeah, Reddit has 0 interest in being Reddit anymore. They want to be tiktok/Instagram (that’s why the video player is fucking trash, they want it to look like tiktok). The thing I don’t understand is those apps are already much larger than Reddit, why would people from those apps ever come to Reddit? And why would you just completely abandon your loyal userbase?

Sorry, you’re just that unpopular 😝

It’s literally muscle memory to click the Reddit app just randomly (tbh, I think it’s a full fledged addiction, I derive no real benefit just constantly click it). I could install the progressive web app of my instance in the same spot, but tbh I don’t fully like the idea of PWAs (i.e. if you’re going to be an app be an app, if you’re going to be a mobile website be a mobile website).

I do find it a little hypocritical when people are constantly posting Reddit links.

Very well said. This will eventually blow over, but for a lot of moderators and well known submitters, it’s already too late. This will cause a death spiral where the quality of posts and moderation is way less because of said users leaving, causing more people to leave and there’s less total users/income, causing them to make more decisions designed to placate VCs/investors (killing old Reddit/nsfw), causing more people to leave, etc.

Yeah, honestly it seems like there’s no real coming back from this, unless the board gets involved and does a complete 180 (and also fires spez, that guy cannot be trusted at all anymore).

How are you supposed to have any certainty that your communities won’t just be wiped out or the way you access reddit changed with 30 days notice, which is nowhere near enough time for setting up alternatives, right now most subreddits are going with discord, a bad choice but probably one of the only ones considering a lot of subs already have it set up. I don’t blame them for not choosing lemmy, its in beta, with mobile apps in alpha state (iOS not even fully released its on testflight).

Its almost like, I’d rather have a slightly worse experience whilst lemmy is developed and there’s less users, than be in constant fear of further features getting removed (mod bots, old reddit, nsfw content)

I agree that a small level of centralization is needed. Communities need to be grouped by topic, i’ve heard the term “union” of communities (word which conjures up some good feelings haha). Of which all communities in the union have their posts and all from the others in the union on their community’s page. Idk if you’d call that centralization but you’d have to have some kind of leading or guidance.

A lot of people are saying there could have been manipulation and the true downvote count could have been higher. For sure they are suppressing and banning people/subreddits that mention lemmy or any reddit alternatives, and spez has a history of editing people’s comments etc.

That’s such a cool project!