No you have a point. Reasonably, wouldn’t it make sense that China would be curious on investing/pushing more political influence onto Turkey/seek more control of trade into Europe where another major market is? Or are we analyzing this from the perspective of a capitalist country? Perhaps, China has no interest in pushing into new markets but rather developing and pushing their own. They might not have Maoist zeal, but they do a lot of work in Belt and Road and focus more on economic help to developing countries rather than trying to exert influence or control.

It might be the ‘pragmatic’ mindset in the sense that they seek development mainly in all fields. They aren’t interested in waging a war, or “winning” anything but rather developing the nation so it could compete in all fields in the future. More productive forces, more natural resources to tap into to serve the working class and nation, more research into fields of science to which we’ve seen the effects of what happens. They dominate science publications, they have plentiful resources in their own nation and they’re dominating the world in manufacturing.

Diplomatically; they offer a stable platform and more reason to their mindset than the constant carnival of elected officials that U.S parades around. I’m just surprised they haven’t targeted Turkey with any of their initiatives diplomatically; would be useful to put pressure on Europe during this time but I suppose not.

This is true. I just wonder if some sort of bidding war there will start. America starts throwing money and China starts offering infrastructure, an educated workforce, etc. Curious to see if Turkey will ever pick a side. I mean, they are in an amazing spot and I can imagine either side throwing the gauntlet down. Or maybe they’d just prefer Turkey in this position. Either or could work depending on what changes in the next year.

I could see that too. I could also see MIC ghouls convincing Trump to “step it down a bit” instead of completely abandoning it under the guise of “well there is still equipment left there and Biden did something similar in Afghanistan” and avoid active interference like the Biden administration and sitting on the periphery while Ukraine fights with what it has left.

America likes to do long-hauls even at complete expense of foreign and domestic opinion. So I’m genuinely curious if this war will actually end now or if it will just sputter out over time.

They definitely are gonna start focusing on China. With full Republican control I’m genuinely curious to see if they’re more or less gonna go full hawk considering the last administration.

It’s been very nice. I missed my blue.

Yes and no. I think that comes down to how much America engages in a sunken-cost fallacy. Complete collapse of support in Europe would be bad for them, but for some reason in the back of my mind I’ve had the idea that America is preparing a giant “comfort package” in exchange for access to the Bosporus (full, not limited). I don’t think Turkey is opposed to “any side” specifically, rather more focused on it’s own affairs and the possibility of having it’s trade damaged.

Some guarantees, chunks of cash and a look in the other way in Syria (already happening but I mean carte blanche) I’m almost sure Turkey would “take a side”. With all the statements about “to the last ukrainian” from one soldier I’m wondering if America would really give up that easy if France and Germany pulled out regardless.

First thought that came to mind. Fuck this country.

I agree. What I more so meant is that it’s pretty blatant with that kind of “transparency”.

In a weird way, it forms a sort of “inclusivity” that is fiercely defended. It works to keep the worst out, but we do make mistakes. Even the best immune systems do that. At the same time, this does create a good safe-space for one, for two it also creates a sort of “cryptic appeal” that I’ve noticed amongst newer members. I felt the same.

Seeing the “cryptic appeal” was that there are people so passionate, so caring and quickly take up to this place was inspiring for me as someone who’s been a commie but never heard of this place. To newer people, I can see the appeal; if they aren’t already poisoned by propaganda.

A lot of these libs really do be drive-bying. Like I said, it’s just so hard to determine who is interested in actually discussing anything or just leaving a shitty comment. I hear you though, no worries.

Blockchain ledger? Yeah, don’t think you’re actually going to be able to follow the money there. What an odd choice to focus on that for a up and coming leftist party.

I don’t snap at libs very often (twice since the election, which I’ll explain); which was the point of me bringing up my other civil conversation. Specific things like that make me want to, it’s just that post-election tensions have been running high and I’ve pretty much been filled with hatred at some of the fair-weather dems. I also had a few friends who went full scratch (one literally sent me a stonetoss meme) so the noticeable right-ward shift that I’ve seen just has me on edge. I was vitriolic and venomous, I get it and I do apologize about that.

I could be wrong too, maybe it is someone who might see more left-leaning views in the future. God knows I used to say dumb shit (14 year old lolbertarian at one point), but looking back now I’m also glad I had people to voice their abject disgust or tell me to fuck off instead of trying to make it seem acceptable by “negotiating” or “tolerating” it. That’s just me though, I can see your point otherwise.

It’s really hard to tell who actually means genuine or someone who is just a scratched lib brown-shirt doing a drive-by. So many out there.

In terms of squandering organization; I don’t think so. I’ll calm down probably after today and I’ll go back to posting memes, content pieces, etc. In real life I’ve been getting to know my community, or at least the neighbors around me, more and more and have reconnected with a few friends who’ve been curious about alternatives post-election; which has been a surprising feeling. Like I’ve said, I’ve had more success with clueless trumpers than I’ve had with ignorant, smug liberals who are going full fourth reich post-election.

Fair enough I suppose. I’ve had quite a few hostile experiences as of recent; my bad for bringing them over. Not sure why you perceive it as a “cool and hip” thing though, I was having a relatively decent conversation, as I said, with another lib. There are some I can stomach, some I can’t. Satirical racism, as a joke, is something I can choose to not associate myself with…better yet, I can get really fucking pissed at it. Same thing with those who defend it; because the whole thing…like the whole post (in unethicallifetips) even if it’s MEANT to be a joke or not is still really fucking gross.

So, I think I can at least get real fucking pissed at that. But understandably, I did have a bit of venom to it. Also. They literally came in being hostile “To the brilliant…”

Drive-by comments from these types are not the ones we’re gonna reach through. I’ve had more luck with my Trump neighbors than these types (made a post a while back and had more progress since then). They’re ignorant, smug and straight up having a meltdown over on Reddit right now; where this is from. It’s full fourth reich over there. Someone defending this is definitely not type to organize with.

I was having a decent conversation with another lib from lemmee; different than this type.

An anarchist primer like one of these?

see also: “joined 19 days ago”

Is there a podcast-text prompter?

Weird, I know, I’m the opposite of a lot of people. I have issues processing long-form information over audio; but can pour over giant tomes joyfully and reread what I need.

If not, I feel like that should be something.

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Oh cool! Topped off with some racism!

@Deconceptualist@lemm.ee Very satirical funny racism. You fucking pathetic worm.

For this brilliant fucking idiot that I’m responding too; satire isn’t planting suggestions into the heads of disgruntled liberals to attack marginalized people even while you do so with your tongue in your cheek.

Eat shit.

I like (bad word, more so surprised) at how the closer to the frontline you get it ramps up so drastically. While that is true in many militaries; the difference between 550 behind lines and 4000 on the lines for a nation actually at war is almost hilarious.

If these numbers keep going up I wouldn’t be surprised if we have more and more contractors heading to Ukraine.

umm ackshually that’s just figurative money that only exists on paper and that’s why us poors only get funds assigned with actual money with backing because we don’t have infinite credit for killing children overseas!

Ah yes, you know. This kind of thing happens between the Netherlands and Belgium all the time. Oh wait it doesn’t…because there is that sinister, subtle suggestion that “well…it’s that part of the world”. They wont say it though.