Obviously it’s because China and North Korea, being totalitarian dictatorships, have made suicide illegal and punishable by death!
(I have literally met someone who thought that suicide is punishable by death in China. Like if you try to kill yourself and survive they’ll finish the job for you.)
I always find it fascinating how readily people in the west will believe the most patently absurd things about countries they’ve been told to hate.
I think it’s because they’re raised from birth having only heard these absurd notions and many never consider if they are truly absurd or not. It’s kinda sad.
indeed
And it’s of course projection as always, for example, suicide was illegal in UK till 1961, and most other western countries also criminalised it at some points in the past.
Pretty much all the crazy accusations the west levels against the adversaries have either happened or are currently happening in the west.
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Another drooling hit from Sh.itjust.works!
“NUH UH I CAN’T TRUST CPC OR NK NUMBERS” why? They’re totalitarian and authoritarian? So is America. They lie about numbers? America doesnt? Every single criticism you land here could be applied to the shithole capitalist country you live in twice or four-fold. So, what is the actual reason you don’t believe them?
Because they’re just North Korean? What? You believe the shit that is said about the country?
@666 @Sprocketfree no, it’s because, unlike NK or China, in US these numbers come from variety of sources which makes them verifiable. In contrast China an NK numbers come from the government only and no actual verification is possible.
UNDESA and organizations are still allowed in and typically collect information on other things such as mortality rates and causes of death. NK has 10k tourists a year and many more likely undeclared…do you think not a single other organization other than the NK government does at least some research when there is other organizations from global institutes doing similar research as well?
N.K is also in WHO. https://data.who.int/countries/408 Even just here they mention other organizations that have collected info from North Korea…
Why do you think it works like that for China and North Korea? Do you think Xi or Kim look over every report that a organization creates after they summon them to central government? Why?
Do we have actual proof that North Korea actually fudges those numbers then?
thank you for providing us all with an example of a western racist with low intellect
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I’d be so insulted right now if I had a shred of respect for you.
Why will NK need to lie about their numbers?
It’s not that straightforward. The reality of which society people prefer is clear - North Korean defectors risk their lives to reach South Korea, while the reverse simply doesn’t happen. As for suicide statistics, there are several issues here. First, North Korean statistics are notoriously unreliable. Second, South Korea’s higher reported rates stem from complex factors: intense social pressure, rapid modernization, elderly poverty, and cultural attitudes toward mental health. In less developed countries, suicides often go unreported due to stigma, poor record-keeping, or classification as accidents. Plus, access to mental healthcare and willingness to discuss mental health openly - which are good things - can actually lead to higher reported rates. So comparing raw suicide statistics between such different societies doesn’t really tell us much about quality of life or which society is superior.
Your premise if false. Defectors run off because they don’t know what the conditions are like and have bought into propaganda. Many who leave end up regretting it once they realize what they got themselves into. An example here https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjre1zpz5ko
Incidentally, this was the case with the dissolution of USSR as well where many people expected their lives to improve with introduction of capitalism. They were quickly disabused of these delusions once they got to experience the system first hand.
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The dronie credibility meter:
If it’s from a US-aligned country = reliable
US enemy country = unreliable
Those downvoters would be very radicalized if they could absorb information critical of capitalism.
:KingOfTheHillMeme:
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A quick search on google proved really quickly that these numbers are incorrect.
Feel free to look it up yourself.
Edit: op edited the image.
Reason: Mis or disinformation. These numbers are not correct.
Seeing how you found such evidence, feel free to provide it, or it didn’t happen.
From Wikipedia:
In many countries, suicide rates are underreported due to social stigma, cultural or legal concerns.[3] Thus, these figures cannot be used to compare real suicide rates, which are unknown in most countries.
China Asia 6.7
North Korea Asia 8.2
South Korea Asia 21.2
And it didn’t list numbers for Taiwan
I don’t want to be accused of fudging the numbers. Everyone here is capable of using a search engine and exploring one of many helpful websites that tracks suicide rates around the world.
The interesting thing you’ll find is which of the two countries OP fudges the numbers on even tho their “point” wouldn’t need the help.
Now I’m even less convinced that you actually did “a quick search on google.”
Sorry I didn’t use decade old stats from Wikipedia.
Reason: Spam or Abuse
You understand that you’re reporting me to myself, right?
Yes. I am well aware if how lemmy works, as I am aware that you are as well. I’m purposely annoying you by doing that.
Good of you to admit you’re just a spammer.
Wikipedia seems to back up these stat’s. Though as someone that has discussed this topic with Chinese nationals several times, their number seems artificially low.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate?wprov=sfla1
You know what you’re completely right. Fixed the numbers and added sources in the description.
Awesome now explain the correlation between these rates and your claim. Maybe you can help me out by telling me the methodology of gathering this information and how truthful the reporting actually is.
The reason you’d have more suicides is because more people are unhappy with their lives to the point where they want to end them. Meanwhile, even if we don’t the exact reason, we can see that there is a statistically difference in outcomes between two systems. Let me know if you need this explained in simpler terms.
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Let me make this simple for you: how do you trust an authoritarian government to provide correct suicide rates? Do you think north korea wants people to believe their citizens are unhappy or happy?
You dismiss a “personal opinion” and then try to provoke them to make more on an obvious communist website? Holy shit, what a joke.
“People killing themselves because they wanna live less is a personal opinion”
Fucking actually made me laugh
Since you’re the one making baseless claims it is on you to provide evidence that numbers in states you don’t like are manipulated. Try to put a bit more effort into your trolling.
Okay
WHAAAAT? Someone from sh.itjust.works is not a turbolib?
8.2 > 6.7
The image says 16.7 for Taipei, not 6.7. neither my comment nor the image contains a 6.7.
Now you can argue all western and Eastern sources are undercounting nk and China, that’s why I didn’t even include nk given the natural mistrust of information from a country with less than 10k tourists a year; but any search of this info online shows the same trend: Chinese nationals dont commit suicide as often as their oppressed neighbors.
