I feel like being in possession of that amount of incredibly sensitive national security data (according to the unsealed indictments) ought to have been no-knock warrant territory, personally
Anyone who has had to take any kind of training about dealing with government documents should be beside themselves after seeing the bathroom picture. It’s just insane.
I mean… the STAGE?!?
“Look at all my top secret documents! Pillage them! Then kill or imprison dozens of our assets for an encore!”
The fountain one got me. Like wtf?
Anyone who has two brain cells to rub together should be unnerved at the idea of national secrets of the world’s largest military being loose and unaccounted for, to be honest
RIGHT??
Like, I 100% understand how the president would unintentionally take classified information with them when leaving the White House. Half their meetings every day are classified, a large proportion of the documents they handle are classified, and any notes they take about classified information are also classified. It is not reasonable to expect the President to be 100% perfect about the storage of the thousands of documents he will see in a month, let alone over the 4 years in office. They rely on their aides to help keep track of this stuff, and mistakes happen. A file gets put in a briefcase, or a desk drawer, then an emergency happens and everyone forgets it was there.
I get that, that’s normal IMO. Where this becomes exceptional is that AFTER he was notified that he still had classified information they were STILL storing them in a damn public bathroom. He was bragging about having these documents and showing them to people, KNOWING THEY WERE CLASSIFIED.
Literally all he had to do was hand them back, like every other president has, and go “oops, sorry, these got mixed into the wrong box.” Nobody would fucking care if that had happened, because everyone recognizes that mistakes happen and we aren’t going to prosecute the president for accidentally taking home a classified document and giving it back when they find it. Yes, we would do that to a normal low-level person who did the same- but I think that’s fundamentally different in the scope and volume of the job. The president has more important things to think about than the security classification of the document he’s holding, or the notes he took earlier. It’s other people’s jobs to consider that for him so he can focus on the actual problems he is facing every day in administering the entire federal government.
That’s exactly why Pence didn’t get charged as well. Yeah, he had classified docs, but he surrendered them without any issue. Trump and his conspirator(s) on the other hand actively worked to deceive the US Gov’t about the return of these documents.
If he had handed everything back, okay, there’s nothing to talk about anymore, shit happens from anyone in a high level position (like POTUS, VPOTUS, SecDef, etc) where, like you said, they handled those documents on a daily basis for briefings, took notes, etc. to make decisions with. Sometimes things slip through the cracks, that’s why there’s the step of agencies saying “Hey, you still have some classified docs and we need those back.” Complying with the request under the assumption of an honest mistake results in nothing occurring as a result. Pretending to comply and conspiring to further hide those docs, while leading your lawyers down a different path though is very much a violation of any good will the federal government is giving you.
Bathroom picture? What am I missing here?
Trump kept boxes of documents in a bathroom that shows evidence of having been in use. There are photos. If you want to, go to the Legal Eagle channel on youtube and watch the video on the topic. It shows some of the photos. “Trump’s Bombshell Federal Document Indictment” - at the time of the posting it’s the latest.
Hell, they couldve shot him like a threatening dog. 😂
This article came out around the time of his NY arraignment and did a really good job making this point
The arrest and arraignment of former President Donald J. Trump may have been an unprecedented moment in American history, with seismic implications for the political process. But as a legal process, it was more routine: On Tuesday, he became just another one of the roughly 31,000 people arraigned for felonies in dreary courtrooms across New York State each year.
Constitutionally, those people are entitled to equal treatment — but practically, we all know that’s not true. Usually there are handcuffs and mug shots, two indignities Trump himself avoided. (Law enforcement officials told the New York Times he wasn’t considered a flight risk.) But he couldn’t get around the fingerprinting.
There’s also no evidence that Trump spent time in an overcrowded holding cell, an experience that seems to cut through the haze of memory for many defendants, who described moldy sandwiches or pee-filled plastic cups.
By contrast, Trump was allowed to self-surrender and arrived in a multi-car motorcade, escorted by the Secret Service officers routinely assigned to a former president.
We asked people what the experience is like when you’re not a high-profile White defendant, arrested for a white collar crime, with access to top-flight lawyers, campaign donors, crowds of well-wishers and supporters. Some were indicted before their arrest, some after. The picture they give — as mostly defendants of color, mostly arrested for violent crimes — is of disorientation and hopelessness.
And usually the world is not paying attention.
I’ve been arrested twice… both times misdemeanors with no jail time.
The most memorable part for me was being instructed to strip naked, then squat and spread my cheeks so they could see my asshole and make sure I didn’t have a plastic baggy of cocaine or shiv turtle-heading.
I seriously doubt Trump had to suffer the same indignity, despite being charged with felonies.
Title definitely got me 😂. But this is so true.
Shouldn’t everything be equitable here. Why does he get a pass when someone else who did the same thing would be sitting in Jail.
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Yet again was not arrested at the arraignment. No mugshot, or fingerprinting, and no bail, they sure are treating him unfairly. Can’t he just choke on a big mac already so we can be done with this cheeto?
Former President Donald Trump has been arrested at the federal courthouse in Miami. He will soon face charges related to mishandling classified documents. During the proceedings on Tuesday, deputy marshals took electronic copies of his fingerprints.
However, they did not take a mugshot of Trump because he is easily recognizable, as reported by CNN.
Source: Former US President Trump arrested, The Nation, June 13
Thanks, I hadn’t seen the fingerprint info on the article I found. 🙂
Former President Donald Trump has been arrested at the federal courthouse in Miami. He will soon face charges related to mishandling classified documents. During the proceedings on Tuesday, deputy marshals took electronic copies of his fingerprints.
However, they did not take a mugshot of Trump because he is easily recognizable, as reported by CNN.
Source: Former US President Trump arrested, The Nation, June 13 2023
@notroot@lemmy.sdf.org Ahhhhh so that’s what a boosted post from Lemmy looks like! I created an account on the Reddit alternative #Lemmy at lemmy.sdf.org run by the venerable SDF unix org, then followed myself from there to here, and then boosted and this is what Feddit looks like… from Mastodon
And look at that… my reply from Mastodon appears here in Lemmy. Ain’t the Fediverse grand?
@notroot@lemmy.sdf.org @notroot@notroot.social this is really cool :)
I’ve also followed myself on my Calckey account, but nothing is coming through. Seems like Mastodon is more Lemmy-friendly, and vice-versa!
This is my first time really engaging with the fediverse but I’d used SDF every now and then for like 20 years. I’d always thought it was like a university or something, it was fun to learn the name is an anime reference lol.
Good clickbait title
He should be treated as terribly as he treats others. He’s a massive POS.
I mean he was literally the president. I’m not a fan either but surely we’re not expecting him to have his door kicked in and for him to get dragged off in cuffs. Secret service following him around in jail?
I understand what you’re saying but I think there are a few points I can gather as to what is truly being said and why it resonates with so many.
One that you brought up about getting his door kicked in and dragged out in handcuffs as a hypothetical is that people shouldn’t have their doors kicked in and dragged out in handcuffs unless it’s actually necessary which in many cases it is not but occurs anyway and way too often.
Another one is that you shouldn’t have to sit in jail for an unnecessary length of time waiting to get out. The implication being that you’ve been arrested are waiting to see a judge which should be a maximum of 48 hours and any longer is unconstitutional.
I guess the overall point is that the former president is saying he’s not being treated fairly but in fact he is actually being treated very fairly which is how everyone should be treated. The fairness should not extend only to a former president but also to every citizen in the U.S. because they have rights.
However, because the reality is that so many rights are violated on a daily and consistent basis for the average low income person and also for people of color (which both actually might be approaching the majority at this point) it makes Trump’s treatment unfair by comparison.
And to have someone who formerly held one of the most powerful positions in the world state his treatment as unfair shows just how far removed from the average citizen he is and in many ways ignores the hardships of the very people he was supposed to lead and support.
By just simply complaining he told so much.
This is just how I see it though. I could be way off but that’s what I got.
It’s often said that, “no good deed goes unpunished.” But there are bad deeds that get away scot-free.
