• Aethien@fediverser.communick.devB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    11 months ago

    Between this, not playing players Mislintat got out of spite and the absolute shite display on the pitch Steijn is really making an effort to look awful.

    • innocenceiskinky@fediverser.communick.devB
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      11 months ago

      Is he not playing them out of spite? Or is it because they have looked absolutely dreadful every time they played?

      Like, can you tell me with a straight face that players like Akpom, Gaeei, Mikautadze and Ávila have looked like good players on the field for even 10 minutes? Which one of those isn’t playing out of spite? That Medic guy scored an absolute worldie, but looks beyond dreadful for the rest of open play. The Mannsverk guy played one match and it was one of the worst individual performances I’ve ever seen from an Ajax-player.

  • R_Schuhart@fediverser.communick.devB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    11 months ago

    Steijn should shut up and sit down, he got all the time and opportunity to turn it around. It wouldn’t be surprising if one or two people did start to question him and dropped their support, that doesn’t automatically make it backstabbing.

    • Massaman95@fediverser.communick.devB
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      11 months ago

      According to Steijn, Maduro had been constantly leaking information from inside the dressing room to ESPN. I’d call that backstabbing honestly

      • Just-Flamingo-410@fediverser.communick.devB
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        This article now is clearly from Steijn. He blames the whole world and can’t accept that he lacks skills and insight to be trainer at a club like Ajax. It’s very telling that again other people are blamed, and Steijn is the victim. Who do you think called the papers?

          • MrGraveyards@fediverser.communick.devB
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            The thing is I do think there are some valid excuses like he didn’t get any of the players he asked for and the whole ‘build a squad while the competition is already on its way’ thing.

            Berghuis and Maduro ‘backstabbing’ probably came after those two concluded that he’s not good enough for ajax. I think that part is bs.

            But it wasn’t made easy for Steijn, that much is obvious as well.

            • Sunstridr@fediverser.communick.devB
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              11 months ago

              The players that he wanted, baring Olij, would all have asked for above/significantly above the now salary cap that the board had placed on Mislintat.

              And it was known for a long time that we had to sell before bringing anyone in, with Mislintat only getting the go ahead after the first part of the Timber money being officially on the bank balance.

              So, sure it wasn’t easy for Steijn, but that was because the board was being difficult, not Mislintat.

              • MrGraveyards@fediverser.communick.devB
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                11 months ago

                Oh yes agreed it wasn’t just Mislintat. The board made a gigantic mistake with this half baked investing in the squad. We could’ve had Ziyech and Tagliafico, but we got forbs (nothing against him but he has some stuff to learn) Avila and Sosa. Etc.

                Really they could have simply bought less players that cost more instead of so many. Sutalo, vd boomen, Tagliafico, Ziyech, Dest, Maybe go for zerrouki because we needed a dm?

                The rest we didn’t really 100 percent need! This is also made evident by who’s playing now. It’s really a lot of players we already had and the new guys are playing only if the spot was really vacant like Sutalo and forbs or if someone is injured.

                So the board made a huge gigantic mistake there with the caps. A cheap buy can be an expensive buy!

                • Sunstridr@fediverser.communick.devB
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  Eh, Ziyech has been constantly injured for Gala; and while Tagliafico would probably have been a solid addition, he is on more than both of Sosa and Avila combined afaik.

                  Don’t know about that, if I’m completely honest, yes there were some signings that felt like they were being bought to fill up the squad, and it would have been preferable to have done that with youth players, Ajax did lose a lot of players this summer.

                  Let’s not forget that Mikautadze has yet to be played as a striker, Mannsverk has only featured in one game due to Injury, the only time Akpom has started was at Right wing and Ramaj hasn’t played because Steijn was angry at not getting Olij.

                  While I do agree that sometimes a cheap buy can become an expensive one, the only ones that threaten to go that way, are players who Steijn hasn’t really given a chance.

            • SnooCupcakes9188@fediverser.communick.devB
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              11 months ago

              I agree it’s a legitimate excuse. It did sound like Steijn actually had a much better idea what the squad needed than that surf fraud.

              At the same time you can’t go and throw all those signings under the bus literally the first game things go wrong. How are you supposed to build a cohesive squad that way?

              He also chose to play those guys out of position immediately when he easily could have waited to integrate them if they weren’t ready. He definitely started making excuses for his dismissal from the start.

              • MrGraveyards@fediverser.communick.devB
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                11 months ago

                Yeah he should have done better then whatever this is. That much is obvious to anyone I think. But Ajax did not hand him an easy win.

                Schreuder however still had a lot of good players but couldn’t even beat lower table teams…

      • R_Schuhart@fediverser.communick.devB
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        If it is true, sure. But complaining like this after the fact just sounds like you are making excuses. If it was such an ongoing issue he should have addressed it sooner, it isnt like he didn’t get the time to fix any issues. Besides, there weren’t any remarkable leaks coming out week after week, nor was it the reason for Steijn’s failure. It appears he is just desperately trying to blame others.

        • timdeking@fediverser.communick.devB
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          Even if the tactics suck it doesn’t help that the players are incapable of playing the simplest passes or following their direct opponent when defending.

          • MrGraveyards@fediverser.communick.devB
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            I think this squad can still surprise you with proper management. There are a lot of players playing under their level. I have seen no players who are 100 percent incapable. Stupid mistakes yeah. Not making any tactical decisions on the pitch yourself, yeah. But no talent at all? Who? Which of these players that Mislintat bought completely sucks? Akpom didn’t show anything at all but we know he did great last year so probably also misuse. Same for Mannsverk. The rest all showed that there is something there. If that is good enough for top eredivisie I don’t know. They are very young for starters, but they can definitely give other top teams a hard time provided they have been instructed by a normal coach to do normal things.

            • innocenceiskinky@fediverser.communick.devB
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              11 months ago

              I think this squad can still surprise you with proper management.

              And by surprise you mean get fourth place next year, slightly above Twente, but below AZ after investing an amount of money that could buy you the entire city of Alkmaar, including AZ?

              Which of these players that Mislintat bought completely sucks?

              Gaeei, Akpom, Medic, Mannsverk have all looked completely out of their deptht. Ávila and Mikautadze are clearly a wrong fit for Ajax. Forbs, though fast, is nowhere near the quality of players he was meant to replace.

              • MrGraveyards@fediverser.communick.devB
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                11 months ago

                Medic was always a cheap backup. He’s not going to be in the main squad unless the pl buys our defense again which I doubt.

                Akpom is also not going to be in the first team and Mannsverk and Gaaei are very talented.

                So again, who? Who’s not good enough for champion of the eredivisie next year? Nobody in the main squad for sure.

                • innocenceiskinky@fediverser.communick.devB
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  Who’s not good enough for champion of the eredivisie next year?

                  Everyone bar Brobbey, Berghuis and Bergwijn, although for Bergwijn to be good again you would need to significantly upgrade the players around him. Maybe Sosa and Sutalo can put in a shift too. I name those two, because even though they’ve made ridiculous defensive errors, they at least look like they can give a normal pass and play high tempo. All the others: just not good enough.

                  Gaeei and Mannsverk being talented is nice when they play in the KKD, because realistically, that’s the highest level their match performances have been at.

          • Revolutionary-Bag-52@fediverser.communick.devB
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            True, though often enough you see those mistakes happen under a manager that just doesnt fit the team. Even if it are things that dont depend on tactics etc, its probably confidence and motivation which a manager can have a clear effect on

        • Lannisterling@fediverser.communick.devB
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          I’ve been wondering what’s the link there. I can imagine you’d back your former colleagues. But why are guys like Sneijder and Van der Vaart so determined to back Steijn?

          • Aethien@fediverser.communick.devB
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            I think they’ve picked a side (the Dutch side) in a Steijn/Telegraaf vs Mislintat/new players battle they’ve cooked up.

            And we all know Sneijder and Van der Vaart were incredible players but aren’t nearly as gifted in the brain department.

          • Sunstridr@fediverser.communick.devB
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            Because they have good contacts with him, Sneijder and Vd Vaart were close enough to him that they were being actively asked to be one of his assistants.

            And Vd Meijde was literally getting most of his recent “scoops” from Steijn.

          • ph4ge_@fediverser.communick.devB
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            I’ve been wondering what’s the link there. I can imagine you’d back your former colleagues. But why are guys like Sneijder and Van der Vaart so determined to back Steijn?

            They are not, they are just free thinkers withs lots of experience that dont buy the emotional oversimplifications that the fans want. They all recognise Steijn had to go because he wasnt performing and that Steijn was dealt an impossible hand due to all the chaos, high expectations and lack of quality surrounding him.

            • Striking_Insurance_5@fediverser.communick.devB
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              11 months ago

              Van der Vaart and Sneijder did not think Steijn had to go at all, they were constantly saying that he’s a good manager but that the players are the problem. I have never heard either of them say a bad word about Steijn.

              • ph4ge_@fediverser.communick.devB
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                11 months ago

                I’d rather look at what people with actual tactical knowledge have to say like Suley or Pieter Zwart instead of the populistic nonsense that comes out of Van der Vaart and Sneijder. They’re not free thinkers, they don’t really think at all.

                That’s called cherry picking, and is not a good habit to pick up.

    • MrGraveyards@fediverser.communick.devB
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      11 months ago

      I don’t think it’s healthy for the eredivisie to have their biggest club in shambles. I didn’t really enjoy it when Feyenoord was this bad. Realize you need the competition. If the eredivisie sucks you will never be able to perform in Europe.

      • GingerPolarBear@fediverser.communick.devB
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        Why not? It gives the other teams some space to shine. I really couldn’t care less honestly. We were ridiculed for years for mismanaged, so now we’re supposed to have sympathy for the self inflicted shitshow?

        PSV, AZ, FC Twente and Feyenoord are all doing well. Ajax can find their way up when they want to, but pretending like it’s a massive loss for the Eredivisie is an absolute joke.

      • timdeking@fediverser.communick.devB
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        In the long run it’s definitely unhealthy, but if it doesn’t take too long for Ajax to recover it’s a good thing for the overall competitiveness. Ajax collecting all the money in the world was choking the other clubs in the Eredivisie. Complete domination by a single team is never good for the league.

        • MrGraveyards@fediverser.communick.devB
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          Ok yeah I was talking more about the long run indeed. Us hanging around at tenth place for a while will hurt nobody but us. Provided you guys get some points in Europe please beat Lazio thanks in advance :-)

  • hereslemon@fediverser.communick.devB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    11 months ago

    he would’ve got more time if he didn’t look completely out of his depth and had shown any sign of even the slightest improvement. honestly it looked like the more time goes by the more helpless he is. it was way past time to go.

    • Krillin113@fediverser.communick.devB
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      11 months ago

      It’s Steijn. Mislintat stopped the sharing. The moment he was gone they suddenly started printing inside stories again that very clearly blamed him and served Steijn. Now they’re again feeding a story that benefits Steijn and kicks down everyone else at ajax. Steijn should shut the fuck up just for that, and there are plenty of other reasons why