Cause they get rich during a recession by buying things on the cheap because the over-leveraged middle class suddenly can’t afford things and have to discard them to remain solvent. They sell off the extra car or dump their shares for cash to make ends meet.
How do you induce a recession/downturn? By writing about an impending collapse. If enough people believe you, they’ll tighten their figurative belts, save more and spend less, causing the very recession you wrote about.
(Above is oversimplified by you can see the general logic)
Equally big factor: they get rich when there’s NOT a recession as long as interest rates are low. Low interest rates = high stock returns, more or less. So if they can bully the Fed into lowering interest rates to avert a recession, they still get rich.
Ever notice how the stock market tanks whenever there’s a good jobs report? It’s perverse, but wall street is rooting for main street to fail. (I mean, let’s be honest, they never really cared about main street, but now their fortunes are directly tied to our failure).
If I remember correctly, a recession did happen. It used to be defined as two quarters of negative GDP growth back to back, but yellen simply changed that definition.
You do remember correctly, but you (and most people) were always wrong. The two quarters thing was a rule of thumb, not an official designation. And Yellen didn’t change it, that’s just Republican/big business propaganda.
While gross domestic product (GDP) is the broadest measure of economic activity, the often-cited identification of a recession with two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth is not an official designation. The designation of a recession is the province of a committee of experts at the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), a private non-profit research organization that focuses on understanding the U.S. economy. The NBER recession is a monthly concept that takes account of a number of monthly indicators—such as employment, personal income, and industrial production—as well as quarterly GDP growth. Therefore, while negative GDP growth and recessions closely track each other, the consideration by the NBER of the monthly indicators, especially employment, means that the identification of a recession with two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth does not always hold.
In a 1974 article by The New York Times, Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics Julius Shiskin suggested that a rough translation of the bureau’s qualitative definition of a recession into a quantitative one that almost anyone can use might run like this:
[several criteria]
Over the years, some commentators dropped most of Shiskin’s “recession-spotting” criteria for the simplistic rule-of-thumb of a decline in real GNP for two consecutive quarters.
It mentions it but gives it context. It then goes on to say
In the United States, the Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) is generally seen as the authority for dating US recessions. The NBER, a private economic research organization, defines an economic recession as: “a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales”.[12] The NBER is considered the official arbiter of recession start and end dates for the United States.
The NBER seems to have no fixed criteria for what a recession is. Not sure how reliably that reflects the economic reality of the majority of people then. Obviously criteria need to be adjusted over time, given changes in how economies work and what they even consist of.
Good thing I’m not an economist, because it sure feels like lower and middle class income households are being fleeced and destroyed with inflation and increased profit margins disguised as being part of inflation. I’d call the current economic situation a recession, but it isn’t up to me after all.
Your take is correct and fair. Periods of high inflation are very damaging to everyday people if that inflation isn’t uniformly applied, which it rarely is. “Recession” doesn’t really accurately describe that situation and we don’t have a good term for it.
Basically right now banks are making money, but both wall street and (most of) main street is losing out.
The problem is when there’s inflation, prices are very elastic (they go up fast) but wages are more inelastic (they go up much more slowly). While ideally wages and prices should be equal, it doesn’t work out that way in reality.
The subsection of main street that’s in in-demand industries captures most of the wealth in this scenario. So extremely low wage earners are actually seeing some real wage growth, and so are some sectors of skilled workers, but most of the middle class is seeing their wealth go down.
Most of the wealthy who have all their money in stocks are also seeing their wealth stagnate.
The good news is, we’re starting to see cracks in the dam. Since unemployment remains low, employers are being forced to raise wages now, especially given all the union action lately. I tentatively predict that as long as we’re not pushed into an actual recession, living conditions will start to get better over the next few years for main street. That’s why I’m saying go Powell go. Keep fucking wall street over. Put the screws to em. It will get better for us as long as unemployment stays low. Corporations have been using all the tricks they can to keep their profit margins despite the pressures on them, but they’re running out of tricks. They’ll have to eat into those margins soon.
I am an inflationary economist, and while BLS is working on income quintile inflation rates (and I think they’re awesome and should be fully funded by Congress and published - but I digress), I don’t know of any similar analysis for like…income quintile recession analysis. You’d be better off looking at the individual factors like unemployment and employment by quintile, inflation, and maybe income inequality measures. Recessions are defined after the fact and mostly for whole economy analysis, and like any higher level measure, often are very wrong when looking at an individual, but very correct in the aggregate.
It was never defined as that. That’s been a colloquial marker for one but never a real definition.
And Yellen doesn’t have anything to do with defining a recession either. The NBER (national bureau of economic research) is the authority that declares recessions, and they only ever do it retroactively
The Covid 19 recession was declared despite only lasting 2 months.
These fucks want a recession SO BADLY and it’s just NOT HAPPENING. I love it. Go get em, Powell.
Cause they get rich during a recession by buying things on the cheap because the over-leveraged middle class suddenly can’t afford things and have to discard them to remain solvent. They sell off the extra car or dump their shares for cash to make ends meet.
How do you induce a recession/downturn? By writing about an impending collapse. If enough people believe you, they’ll tighten their figurative belts, save more and spend less, causing the very recession you wrote about.
(Above is oversimplified by you can see the general logic)
Equally big factor: they get rich when there’s NOT a recession as long as interest rates are low. Low interest rates = high stock returns, more or less. So if they can bully the Fed into lowering interest rates to avert a recession, they still get rich.
Ever notice how the stock market tanks whenever there’s a good jobs report? It’s perverse, but wall street is rooting for main street to fail. (I mean, let’s be honest, they never really cared about main street, but now their fortunes are directly tied to our failure).
If I remember correctly, a recession did happen. It used to be defined as two quarters of negative GDP growth back to back, but yellen simply changed that definition.
You do remember correctly, but you (and most people) were always wrong. The two quarters thing was a rule of thumb, not an official designation. And Yellen didn’t change it, that’s just Republican/big business propaganda.
https://www.bea.gov/help/glossary/recession
We got close, but there never was a recession.
Okay, then someone should update the Wikipedia article, because that still says that it’s two quarters with a 1,5% decline
Not really
It mentions it but gives it context. It then goes on to say
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession
The NBER seems to have no fixed criteria for what a recession is. Not sure how reliably that reflects the economic reality of the majority of people then. Obviously criteria need to be adjusted over time, given changes in how economies work and what they even consist of.
Good thing I’m not an economist, because it sure feels like lower and middle class income households are being fleeced and destroyed with inflation and increased profit margins disguised as being part of inflation. I’d call the current economic situation a recession, but it isn’t up to me after all.
Your take is correct and fair. Periods of high inflation are very damaging to everyday people if that inflation isn’t uniformly applied, which it rarely is. “Recession” doesn’t really accurately describe that situation and we don’t have a good term for it.
Basically right now banks are making money, but both wall street and (most of) main street is losing out.
The problem is when there’s inflation, prices are very elastic (they go up fast) but wages are more inelastic (they go up much more slowly). While ideally wages and prices should be equal, it doesn’t work out that way in reality.
The subsection of main street that’s in in-demand industries captures most of the wealth in this scenario. So extremely low wage earners are actually seeing some real wage growth, and so are some sectors of skilled workers, but most of the middle class is seeing their wealth go down.
Most of the wealthy who have all their money in stocks are also seeing their wealth stagnate.
The good news is, we’re starting to see cracks in the dam. Since unemployment remains low, employers are being forced to raise wages now, especially given all the union action lately. I tentatively predict that as long as we’re not pushed into an actual recession, living conditions will start to get better over the next few years for main street. That’s why I’m saying go Powell go. Keep fucking wall street over. Put the screws to em. It will get better for us as long as unemployment stays low. Corporations have been using all the tricks they can to keep their profit margins despite the pressures on them, but they’re running out of tricks. They’ll have to eat into those margins soon.
I am an inflationary economist, and while BLS is working on income quintile inflation rates (and I think they’re awesome and should be fully funded by Congress and published - but I digress), I don’t know of any similar analysis for like…income quintile recession analysis. You’d be better off looking at the individual factors like unemployment and employment by quintile, inflation, and maybe income inequality measures. Recessions are defined after the fact and mostly for whole economy analysis, and like any higher level measure, often are very wrong when looking at an individual, but very correct in the aggregate.
Shrug Statistics.
Besides what others have mentioned, there was no drop in gdp.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1aimT
It was never defined as that. That’s been a colloquial marker for one but never a real definition.
And Yellen doesn’t have anything to do with defining a recession either. The NBER (national bureau of economic research) is the authority that declares recessions, and they only ever do it retroactively
The Covid 19 recession was declared despite only lasting 2 months.