I am pretty sure a handful of people are constantly making alts to cause discord on Lemmy/Piefed.
It does feel like something odd is up recently. The amount of comfort I’ve been noticing with people directly calling for specific individuals to be harmed, the anti-Isreal stuff leaning harder into more anti-Jewish talk, and the pot stirring between Db0 and World all feel a bit manufactured.
A lot of the shit stirring directly comes from members of the dbzer0 admin team, though. You can’t blame that on random alts.
The statements I saw didn’t really seem intended to diffuse the situation. It feels like one individual did something provocative and neither side liked it, but certain people don’t seem ready to let go and are keeping it going publicly.
I haven’t noticed any real public response from World, so the beef feels one sided, which I don’t think helps db0 look like the rational party. I appreciate them being open, but it looks like people just airing personal grievances rather than something that pertains to all users of db0 or World.
I’m not invested any further than not wanting to lose a sizeable chunk of subscribers, but the behavior doesn’t reflect well in the instances involved and certainly isn’t benefitting the user bases by being a public debate. But that’s just my opinion and how I would personally handle things based on what I’m aware of concerning the situation.
I was at a community that was supposed to be mostly for anarchists, and it wasn’t one of the major tankie instances, and yet I still met someone who insisted “zio” culture is just murder and rape. And their post history wasn’t any better.
Yeah, I was seeing it pop up in otherwise civil conversations and go straight to what I’d consider far right conspiracy stuff or outright hate for anyone Jewish anywhere. I don’t recall if they were new accounts, but they were people I was not previously familiar with.
There is much to criticize about the events going on, but this type of talk is not criticism.
Also how conveniently day old accounts from instances with open registration pop up to go on racist or transphobic tirades so that db0 or .ml members can pin it on opponents.
I don’t necessarily read too much into which direction the pot is being stirred, because it doesn’t even need to be from one side or the other when anyone can make and account anywhere and just be a malicious third party that wants to see the 2 other fight. I think all the public bickering is useless between the admins. I think airing all this stuff out just drags more people into the argument.
The call to violence stuff is also something I think should be real embarrassing to any admin of any instance. Allowing that stuff reflects badly on your whole community. There are plenty of people I wouldn’t miss right now, but I don’t want to live in a time or place it’s alright to hurt people we don’t like. The pendulum always swings back your way.
We have something really great going on here in the Fediverse, and it’s nice seeing so diverse a userbase getting along relatively well. I never thought I’d see one place mixing mainstream liberals, communists, socialists, anarchists, lgbtq, furry, and whatever else we’ve got going on here working so well. I’m going to be pretty upset if we let a single digit number of people bust this place up. Please get it together, people.
They also think comments like this constitute “pro-Zionism” somehow.
They are deeply unserious virtue-signalers at heart, and it’s wild watching them adopt more and more obvious anti-semitism just to show how “anti-Zionist” they are.
Also how they tend to be ableist themselves, but then call others out when they are ableist.
And I literally only ever said that neither Israeli nor Palestinian should have to suffer conflicts between Hamas and IDF and that was still interpreted as zionist.
It feels like in their eyes, you are a zionist if you arent outright for the destruction of Israel including it’s citizens.
The funniest part is watching them research every word to see if there’s some several-hundred year old connotation that could maybe, potentially be considered ableist-adjacent so they can go “Ooo, Ooo! Ableist!!”
Like, clearly they aren’t actually trying to protect anyone from ableism at that point, they’re just fishing for a way to discredit.
I mean they use “stupid” and “idiot” all the time, when I even use them as rarely as possible (and when I do, it is for things and not people).
Edit: I just searched me using “stupid” in posts and comments and this is literally the first comment out of nearly two thousand comments where I mention the word. lol
On a side note they insist that I am a zionist and constantly misgender me (he instead or she or they). Meanwhile antizionists who arent anglos and terminally online try to insist that I am an “antizionist who doesnt like the term” and Zionists straight up claim I am an antizionist and in the case of anti-Germans sometimes an antisemite because I dont support Israels actions (war and colonialism) and condemn the IDF.
It is always the same people who Rimu conveniently banned from piefed.social who insist I am a zionist.
Tangential, but what’s the go-to mobile app for Piefed? I’ve long made an account, but I just log into Lemmy still because when I am at my PC, I have better things to do than laugh at tankies, and on mobile, there’s a button on my device that brings me to Lemmy. I’m not sure what shiny new button to replace it with, and realistically the sooner I can stop using tools created by fascists in socialist clothing, the better.
I’m currently using Jerboa for Lemmy, though I am not married to any of its features.
I’ve been using Summit, it’s pretty nice. I recommend you just try a bunch of them and see what you like.
Pretty sure Voyager supports most or all piefed features.
I’m not able to create an account due to a community being Piefed and not being a supported feature. Are you using Voyager on iOS or Android?
I’m on iOS but I’m using Lemmy. I just know from the Voyager community that it supports Piefed. Maybe you need to create the account on the web version first though.
I’ve tried blorp a few times, it was OK but honestly the browser experience is pretty good.
Blorp dev here. Is there any specific feature/improvement I could add that would bring Blorp from ok to great?
It has been several months, I just assumed whatever quirks were from piefed being relatively new, I’ll give it another go. So far I’ve noticed I can’t see the notes I have for users, like the tags feature but apparently different from the built in notes, also I can see emoji reactions but I can’t create them or click to add to the count.
Can I please see parent comment while replying?
Thats coming in the next version. If you want to give it a test and make sure it works how you’re thinking, go to https://blorpblorp.xyz/ and phone or phone sized browser window and reply to a comment.
That’s not a shadow lock. Lemmy doesn’t support this feature yet. The feature allow mod to lock part of the thread. I hope lemmy v1 will get it.
It’s very useful, because we don’t have to lock the whole thread but only part of the discussion. So other users can continue talking.
This tool can end heated debate rather continuing pointless discussion. I believe it should be expanded to users too and we desactivate the unlock feature with a warning message “it will lock the thread forever. You cannot come back, are you sure ?”
Lastly, there was no point in continuing discussion. The user found the discussion interesting but didn’t want to continue. And for him, reading book is important.
I don’t like that as a “feature”. shadow-anything is a terrible excuse for poor moderation. feel free to block users at a personal or instance level, or simple defederate unwelcome/spam instances. Cant lock the conversation on other instances… Kinda feels pointless.
I disagree. You can lock conversation on piefed instance.
The moderation
It wasn’t perfect but both side brought their arguments. That’s what the most important thing for me. I’m not sure you would like to take my place and handle this mess. Nor spend the whole night on it.
Rimu posted it and he would post on other communities. I let this post so dbzer0 can reply with counter-arguments and defend themselve. You have both point of view.
There is also a post bellow on disinformation by users against dbzer0 below.
Locking post
Are you really sure it is a shadow-mod ?
Locking comment is, for now, a Piefed’s feature and if i’m not wrong, lemmy v1 will support it : https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/5916
Lemmy were inspired by Piefed and us, the user :3
Shadow-mod is that when you have the intention to hide your mods’s action. On piefed instance, there is a lock under locked comment.
On lemmy, that’s not supported yet, so you don’t see them or there is a lack of information between those 2 softwares. So when you write a long text from lemmy and send it to piefed and you don’t see any warning…yes he wasn’t happy about it and another user.
However, that’s not piefed’s fault, nor his. He didn’t know, he discovered an issue. That feature was created 10 months ago and wasn’t used a lot. Those softwares doesn’t communicate about the lock comment yet, there is no lock and we will improve it.
For now, that’s what make Piefed different from Lemmy.
Let’s take another example, Mbin is the only threadiverse software that support microblog timeline. You can see mastodon posts.
Are piefed and lemmy shadow banning microblog ? No. There don’t support it, and that’s a Mbin feature. That’s all. Don’t try to imagine something else.
mod tools
You are speaking about several very different tools. Each of them serve a very different purpose :
- Blocking : i don’t want to see you again. We will never speak to each other.
- Locking post : i stop the discussion to every users. Everyone can’t reply. We change the topic.
- locking part of a discussion (piefed) : i stop our discussion. We can see later and discuss on another topic elsewhere. Other users can continue their own discussion. Dbzer0 use a similar way : “disengage” and i think we should expand it to any users.
- Filtering words (piefed) : mask content i don’t want to read.
And lastly, defederate isn’t simple…
I disagree with your way of moderation. Delete, ban…are bad tools. i believe we need more nuance in moderation and discussion. For example, the use of AI have there pros and cons. That’s not a black and white painting.
Is this ibogaine in action?
Lol reading Proudhon XD
