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    5 days ago

    The AI will exist either way, and people who use that AI will discover these exploits with it. I’d rather it be Mozilla.

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        4 days ago

        No? Things just will exist once they are discovered. Once nuclear warheads were discovered, there was no going back. Once the internet was established, it was going to be around. Same goes for a million other things. And now it applies to AI as well. Even if every big tech fascist stopped making AI, it is still going to be around, and it will be used maliciously. Our best bet is to use it defensibly before it can be used against us.

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          2 days ago

          principled technologists would of course say that the guillotine and beheadings are also technological inevitabilities, so why resist?

          I think the difference here is, at least we can use the tech I mentioned defensively. However, using genAI and LLMs is always adding to Jensen Huangs bottom line only, and its a loss to everyone else. You don’t happen to be a direct relative? Because otherwise you must feel really ridiculous to do free marketing for him

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            Comparing AI to the guillotine is absurd. The guillotine and beheadings would literally only impact 1 single industry, and no other.

            At one point adding electricity meant adding to the bottom line of Thomas Edison and Edison Illuminating Company. Why spend all the money and infrastructure when you are just going to get light when candles work fine? Not to mention how dangerous and ugly electric poles are. Who wants those hovering over their head??

            People literally fought electricity because they were looking too close. If you take a step back, you know when something is a big deal based on what potential impacts it could have on a variety of industries. Same with the internet. People saw the potential, and corporations saw the money. There was a bubble, the bubble popped, and the real potential was left behind. AI bubble will pop at some point, and the genuine application of AI will be left behind and whether we want it to or not, will change the world. The technology exists, and pandoras box has been opened.

            This is not a matter of faster beheadings, this is a matter of a conversational pocket expert with immediate response times at any time of day. The technology will only get better, it will only get more efficient. Nvidia will not hold their power forever. You can separate the technology from the corporations profiting and recognize what will happen.

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          3 days ago

          Thing is inevitable because… Different thing? Brilliant rhetoric!

          Same goes for cryptocurrency. Same goes for NFTs. Same goes for Metaverse. Hell, why not say same goes for fascism? We must embrace them all, because other thing!

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            14 minutes ago

            Cryptocurrency and NFTs are both blockchain. Blockchain by definition have very limited applications. It is hyped because anyone can use it to rug pull others pretending to be an investement. I’m not putting my life savings in AI. Not only that, but how can I use blockchain to help me with my schooling or cooking or thinking through a conplex problem? Metaverse is a product from a single company, not a technology.

            AI as an idea would be more comparable to electricity, internet, smart phones, or other widespread technological advancement. They impact basically every industry, both residential and commercial applications. They are a technology and not specific to a single company (though there are some dominant players). This is more like an advancement in a game that has just been unlocked. There is no re-locking it.

            It is inevitable because even if everyone stopped making more, people would still be using it forever. It is already too good to not use. And it will only get better. That could not be said for your other examples. How is that anything but inevitable?

            I think fighting the tech companies makes sense. But fighting AI as a technology does not make sense.

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              You’re talking exactly the same way about AI that people talked about blockchain a few years ago. Smart Contracts were supposed to revolutionize the universe. All of your “too good to not use” stuff falls in the same camp.

              We might as well keep drilling oil and pumping methane into the air because we started and we shouldn’t stop. How else are those data centers going to work? This is progress for some reason.

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      4 days ago

      Facedeer, can we at least agree it’s a bad look for Mozilla to promote a company that helped kill Iranian children and desperately wants to build weapons to kill more?

      That’s without even touching on whether your “inevitability” claim is total BS or not.

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        4 days ago

        As part of our continued collaboration with Anthropic

        Anthropic is literally the one that refused to let them make autonomous weapons with their AI. There is a whole wikipedia page about it. They explicitly don’t want their AI used for weapons. Of course, that wouldn’t stop governments/militaries from doing so anyway. It would be different if Mozilla was working with OpenAI, but of the two Anthropic is currently the better one.

        And yes, the AI is out of the box. Just like once nuclear warheads were created, there is no going back.

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          They explicitly don’t want their AI used for weapons.

          This is a blatant lie, unsupported by your source. Because they explicitly do. In Dario’s own bloodthirsty words:

          Our strong preference is to continue to serve the Department and our warfighters.

          Don’t believe and regurgitate these lies about “red lines” when they are worse than meaningless.

          Dario practically salivates with the desire to build weapons with their AI. They provided the AI for bombing Venezuelan boats, they provided the AI for killing Iranian children. Your own article says he works with Palantir. He is a child murderer and you don’t need to whitewash him.