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Hey man, don’t get discouraged. AI isn’t hated on because it doesn’t have valid uses - assistive language-based problems are a great candidate for AI help, and coding is language!
What people are rightfully concerned about is AI being used to replace skilled work - especially artists - or use in establishing facts, not help teach newbies. Someone using AI to help word their resume or provide some help when stuck programming is not the issue - a game dev laying off artists and coders to let AI do the job worse but nearly free is.
Man, some real pathetic, deflated bullshit in this comment section.
This badge fucking rules. Let’s make it a huge problem for the first game that uses it dishonestly.
This feels discouraging as someone who struggled with learning programming for a very long time and only with the aid of copilot have I finally crossed the hurdles I was facing and felt like I was actually learning and progressing again.
Yes I’m still interacting with and manually adjusting and even writing sections of code. But a lot of what copilot does for me is interpret my natural language understanding of how I want to manipulate the data and translating it into actual code which I then work with and combine with the rest of the project.
But I’ve stopped looking to join any game jams because it seems even when they don’t have an explicit ban against all AI, the sentiment I get is that people feel like it’s cheating and look down on someone in my situation. I get that submitting ai slop whole sale is just garbage. But it feels like putting these blanket ‘no ai content’ stamps and badges on things excludes a lot of people.
Is this slop? https://lemjukes.itch.io/ascii-farmer-alpha
https://github.com/LemJukes/ASCII-Farmer
Like I know it isn’t good code but I’m entirely self taught and it seems to work(and more importantly I mostly understand how it works) so what’s the fucking difference? How am I supposed to learn without iterating? If anyone human wants to look at my code and tell me why it’s shit, that’d actually be really helpful and I’d genuinely be thankful.
Buddy, using AI as a coding crutch is not the issue for the same reason it’s not an issue if you rely on stack overflow for learning how other people do things. The issue is when generative AI is used to generate assets for a game.
I am pretty sure this is not what the people who made the seal are talking about.
Read their site. They’re talking about “pictures, movies, audio (music or voice action) and writing”. Code in itself, especially for simple tasks like basic game logic, is not art, and I am saying that as a developer.
I am still very doubtful AI can write quality code, but I really don’t care. I am sure it becomes a mess if you try to write very complex systems, but that’s not the case for most games. And if AI generated code is good enough for your use case, good for you.
I can dig it. For me it’s similar to seeing physical products described as “handcrafted” to denote quality versus something mass produced. A lot of indie devs pour enormous amounts of time and energy into animation, scripts, music, etc. that a derivative gen AI would just spit out in seconds.
animation, scripts, music
“handcrafted” music is recorded with microphones playing real instruments, you ever saw a game labeling their music as non-digital?
Yes that is a good comparison. Similarly, indirect use of handcrafted or no gen ai is impossible to trace / verify / do. You can’t handcraft each component for every tool you will be using. Similarly, you can’t write your own library / compiler for every software component.
Such a label will indicate only on a high level, ‘that technology’ is not used. Which I think is fine.
Handcrafted can still use any sort of (power)tool. The actual difference is that it is low volume instead of mass production, even if the same tools are used.
I wonder if LLM companies will use that stamp as a way to identify original ideas they can scrape.
More likely they just won’t bother putting any effort into preventing their AI from copying the badge.
True. Fake it till you make it as the flimflam fellas say.
I feel like this will work out about as well as “GMO-free” labels on food.
And who is verifying it?
It says it right on the stamp. “This developer”. So themselves.
Users will end up verifying it. Activision just got caught using gen-ai in call of duty and had to come clean.
If developers are caught lying they will lose credibility.
There’s absolutely no way this can go wrong.
Okay, but are the games good?
Why wouldn’t they be? We hand-wrote all our good games until, like, yesterday.
Does this include code
Does it include human handpicked sentences that where gend.
Generate a dialogue script vs How could i rephrase this sentence to…
There is so much in between possible i feel like this label is more marketing then meaningful.
Of course i do know what they meant. They imply they did not cut corners with ai and put effort in delivering quality but i imagine there will be both low effort works using this label because they can and high effort works scrutinized after its found technically some gen ai was used.
Also, not using AI in no way precludes you from producing low effort work.
This 80s metal band is making real music without synthesizers!
I’m loving this idea!
