• CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.eeMEnglish
      2·
      11 hours ago

      I mean tbf if a single country adopted socialism it would still have a GDP of some kind as long as there was the need for goods that came from outside the country. Hell you could have the ideal communist society but would still have to trade for something because no land on earth has all of the resources a modern society needs.

  • ArchRecord@lemm.eeEnglish
    8·
    1 day ago

    Socialism, commonly known for the very little, unimportant factor of having workers own the means of production, now includes a stock market where people can buy a share of the means of production, using capital, without ever having worked there, or anywhere, ever?

    News to me.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      6·
      1 day ago

      As a wise tankie recently said to me, about the CCP’s stock market:

      Owning stock in a company does not give you control over the means of production. Sorry bud.

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
    3·
    1 day ago

    In Hungary, a lot of companies are state owned*, I guess I now live in a communist utopia under comrade Viktor Orbán.

    * at max 25%, only so the losses can be subsidized by the state, and old people that wanted “the good old days” back could cheer that “the industries were nationalized”.

  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    20·
    2 days ago

    “NO, compromise is NOT acceptable, we MUST implement socialism NOW; otherwise you’re all fascists and completely identical” - Tankies when democracy

    “Um, aktually, sweatie, materialist analysis DEMANDS we be capitalist first” - Tankies when no democracy

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    321·
    3 days ago

    There are over 800 billionaires in China… but I don’t know of any factories where the workers control the means of production.

    • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      171·
      3 days ago

      800 Billionaires

      What is that, CIA propaganda comrade? Please correct your source to our glorious red propaganda.

  • Xanza@lemm.eeEnglish
    263·
    3 days ago

    Just had my first run-in with hexbear. Man those guys are fuckin’ stupid.

    • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      83·
      2 days ago

      Sounds like counterrevolutionary propaganda… i’d be careful not accidentally fall out of any windows if i were you.

  • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    224·
    2 days ago

    If the public doesn’t control the political parties or their political orientation through voting or councils, socialism is pretty useless, it could even be argued that a society with an illiberal state cannot be socialist, because while it may not have an owning class it sure has a bureaucratic ruling class.

    Read: The Average Joe in China cannot decide what their workplace is doing.

  • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
    102·
    2 days ago

    “China is Socialist”

    • The Leading party literally named “Communist”

    Not that any of them really mean anything

    • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      92·
      2 days ago

      Tbf they’re used a lot as synonyms in marxism. Ultimately it’s still a state capitalist hell hole

      • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
        42·
        2 days ago

        It ultimately depends upon the people.

        • Capitalist laws work well, with peoples’ mentality being community oriented.
        • Communist laws work well with capital oriented mentality.
        • Nothing works when bandits are given all the power.
          • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
            44·
            2 days ago

            I’m not *-ist. I don’t do *-ism.
            My thoughts don’t depend upon what a certain group of people may/may not consider acceptable.

            • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
              62·
              2 days ago

              Yeah labels are vague but they’re good at getting a general idea of what you support. For example I don’t label myself much generally, but i just say i’m a libertarian socialist or anarchist. It’s what you believe that actually matters.

              • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
                33·
                2 days ago

                The problem with catchphrase labels is that it creates the same problems as the word “God” has for thousands of years.
                It encourages people to think less and empowers those who would use this to destroy rationality in groups and use said groups to destroy people for their own agenda.

                • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
                  32·
                  2 days ago

                  True, it’s more important to focus on your own beliefs than subscribing to a single ideology.