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    Win2Linux project that i’m working on. It should be an official part of KDE Eco initiative soon, if there’s no unexpected problems coming up. I’m running it on my private server for testing. It does not collect any information. Give me feedback on the design…

    I already got that the font size is a little bit too large. Oh and some links don’t work yet.

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      I wish Debian wouldn’t try to autoinstall updates out of the box like Windows. Especially when it doesn’t have the disk space to do that and bricks itself

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    Can anyone recommend a very beginner friendly Linux OS for someone who only knows what Linux is but doesn’t have experience with it and has never used anything but windows? Even Apple’s OS is confusing to me. But windows is trying to force this most recent terrible update every time we turn on the computer, and I’ve had enough.

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      If you do ANY gaming at all: Bazzite KDE

      If you don’t: Fedora KDE

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      Ubuntu is one of the easiest distro to get into Linux in my experience.

      I am currently running Linux Mint and it had a lot of issues one both my machines (laptop and PC). Never had these issues with Ubuntu. I am waiting to finish my client’s project before I am dropping Linux Mint.

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      Stick with something popular. People like to argue about distros, but beyond their package manager and some settings, it’s the same thing under the hood (not saying these difference are nothing, but still). For a beginner, or really for anyone just looking to use their system instead of tinkering with it endlessly, a popular, well supported distribution will do the job.

      Ubuntu fits that bill, although they made some very weird decisions recently, so I’d suggest starting with Mint if you’re new to this. Most everything should work out of the box if you have common hardware, and there’s a decent community around in case something goes wrong.

      I’d also advise jumping to anything too new, flashy, or promising stuff that should really, really not be distribution dependant. My position on things is that if there’s a common tool that’s available everywhere to do something, and some distributions decides to make “their own” which does the same thing but is very specific, that’s just wasting time. Hence the disdain for raw ubuntu, among other.

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      Without a doubt, the most user-friendly distro is Linux Mint. Although, if you are a gamer, you might appreciate a distro like Bazzite more, since it comes with everything you will need for gaming pre-installed.

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      I’d recommend Ubuntu. I’ve never tried Mint like others have suggested, but one of the strengths of Ubuntu is that it’s one of the more popular distros, which means if you want to install a program, it probably has an easy install version for Ubuntu/Debian, or specific instructions, or just a lot of people online who have had the same errors as you and can give you suggestions when something starts causing issues

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      Mint, some people will criticize me for sugesting it but I belive it’s the most user friendly distro that you can just search an error on google and get a solution instantly since it’s so widespread. I was going to say Ubuntu but they have made some questionable decisions regarding ads.

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        Why would anyone criticize Mint as a suggestion? It’s easy to use and stable. I have been using it on my main pc for abut a year with barely any issues (i had more problems on windows). I have tried other distros: mutable, immutable, rolling etc but I always come back to Mint if I want things to just work.

        P.S. I have used ubuntu professionally for about 7 years and while I don’t always like it, it is still a solid choice.

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        I’m going to second Linux Mint, I installed it on my grandma’s computers recently and she’s had no complaints in the last 6 months.

        Other than trying to get her Epson printer to work (which I only found out about this morning because she uses it so little) so I’m going to try to get it to work for her tomorrow.

        I did mention that I’d happily buy her a new printer but she’s insisting on keeping her current one. I’m praying I can get it working.

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      As already said, Mint is the only sane choice for the common user. The only thing I’d add is to select the MintDE edition which is built off Debian instead of Ubuntu.

      You won’t notice any real difference between either variant but you should encounter fewer issues on the Debian version.

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        Can’t confirm, I’d strongly recommend the default version for fewer problems and support of PPAs. While it’s technically better not to use something related to Ubuntu for moral reasons, for beginners I’d strongly suggest not putting unnecessary obstacles into your own way.

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        While I agree philosophically and would prefer the Debian based version. I personally have had issues with it, myabe it’s my Nvidia graphics.

        So for a beginner I would reccomend the version that is considered the “main” version at the moment. Currently it is still Ubuntu based afaik.

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      Talking by experience, the one distro that let me just install it, then use my computer without to care about what distro it was using, was Fedora Specifically the XFCE spin

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      Endeavour OS. It may be a bit more hands on than something like Ubuntu/Fedora but there are ways less abstractions, better document and community support that makes it simpler over all.

      Pick up a note-taking application like Joplin or something and write down solutions to problems and you’ll be fine.

      I’d recommend against Ubuntu/Fedora/Mint etc. tbh, they are simpler on the surface but there are no ing parts that make it more complex when things break.

      Play around with distrobox and docker too, that makes a lot of stuff easier.

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        Oh god, please do not do what Hawk just said (No offense Hawk). The “a bit more hands on” means you’ll have to learn to use half of the GNU Utils (command line commands) to feel comfortable. If even Mac feels confusing you’ll NOT feel comfy on Endeavour.

        The most easy one is Mint. It might not be the one with the most modern tech under the hood, but it’s pretty much the greatest start as a “normal user just wanting things to work” you can get without immediate help by someone knowledgeable. The community is also extremely friendly and there’s a plethora of tutorials for things on Mint on the web (also many how-to’s for Ubuntu apply on it, and it’s compatible with any downloadable software for Ubuntu (.deb packages, those are basically install files - some companies still prefer to offer their stuff this way).

        As context, Endeavour OS is based on Arch Linux. That community expects you to become comfortable with the command line. Endeavour is more of a buffer to it than a remedy, it’s definitely aimed at more advanced users and those who like a more steep learning curve.

        If you’re perhaps also in for new hardware, may I also suggest taking a look at companies like Tuxedo Computers, System76 or Slimbook? If you buy from them you get their tested systems on tested hardware including customer support. Extremely valuable for newcomers.

        You can find a list of hardware vendors here. (The blogpost is a little bit outdated, you might find it useful nonetheless. Ignore the distro recommendations in it though, I gotta redo the thing eventually)

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          This is based on my experience teaching at university, Your mileage may vary. This is what I found to work the best for first year students.

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            Sounds like a fair recommendation to students given the nature of Arch with almost zero bounding boxes to navigate around, I’d absolutely not recommend it to average users who do not look for a deeper learning experience though. In my experience most people want their tool to work in a comfortable way, in this case being the PC. The experience of downloading something from the AUR using “just one command” might be a positive one for many, but for people who aren’t into technology to at least some degree using the CLI in any way is, more often than not, at least uncomfortable.

            OP mentioned Mac being confusing to them, so I wouldn’t assume them wanting the student experience with Linux but rather smooth-sailing.

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      The best that I can think of that fits those requironments would be Linux mint. When downloading you can select between 3 different Editions, whose only difference is the desktop, all this boils down to is how it looks, so just select whatever looks best to you.

      Now something to keep in mind when switching to linux; while you will be able to do all that youd want on a PC on linux, some software that you might use and be accustomed to (like the adobe suit) might not be supported on linux (like the adobe suit) so youd need to find alternatives. Linux was designed around terminals, ‘cmd’ on windows, so while you can do most in a GUI, you will more often than not find tutorials using said terminals. And unlike on windows with guis, terminals have both direct system access, as well was expect you to know what you are doing, so read what it prints, its important.

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      Pop! _OS, provided you know how to find specific wifi modules (drivers) for laptops like Macbook or Broadcam devices in general.

      I’ve got some documentation somewhere on the topic let me see if I can find it.

      In any case for now I suggest looking it up, it can be installed on literally anything. I installed it on multiple Macbooks using Ubuntu WiFi drivers (both free and non-free WiFi modules) to gain full functionality Wifi-wise.

      For the most part “wl” will be available for your device (foss wifi module) so for most devices you’ll be fine right outta the box. And, in the event bluetooth is missing, by installing “blueman” for Bluetooth capabilities.

      For most if not all Windows devices (amd64, amd86, intel, NVidia, etc) it can be installed in one fell swoop.

      Best part, you can encrypt your data using the same password you use to login. It’s one of the first things you see before confirming the installation to your device.

      And the installer is intuitive and really user-friendly.

      In terms of DE’s it is as versatile as Ubuntu, it is after all, compatible with most - if not all, Ubuntu repositories.

      You can use the default DE GNOME to make your device look like Windows Vista.

      You can, alternatively use KDE Plasma to make it look like it’s Windows 7 using the sddm display manager.

      It’s as versatile as any other distro but with an easy installer, you literally just press buttons. Obviously you’ve gotta wipe the data on the drive. So here’s to hoping you’ve either made backups or, have made peace with the death of that drive.

      In any case, failing drives are as easy to fix as telling the drive to ignore the damaged sectors.

      Pop!_OS is like Ubuntu if it had Debian’s stability IMO. It’s been fantastic thus far and I highly recommend it. They also have very extensive documentation!

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      I like Kubuntu tbh

      I didn’t like Mint all that much.

      If you have an old laptop you can try a few out and see what works, they’ll run faster than windows. If you’re on windows you might have access to Hyper-V Virtual Machine and then you can just run some Linux Distros in a virtual machine to see if they’re nice. You can even try moving some files into the VM and see if you can still work with them after a migration from windows.

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    if the best time to switch is always today then if i put it off till tomorrow it will be even better right?

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    the best time to switch to linux is a few years ago.

    the second best time is now.

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      I switched a few years ago, and recently spun up a secondary Windows install because I was planning on checking out Game Pass. I couldn’t make it more than a couple hours, Windows 11 is a hot mess now and it felt really gross to see all the ads everywhere. Even the login screen isn’t free of them anymore!

      I honestly don’t know how people use that shit, I wouldn’t force it on somebody I hated.

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        It is actually quite bad to use. If for whatever reason I needed a commercial OS I’d have to use MacOS at this stage.

        Microsoft has really dropped the ball in terms of quality.

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    Y’all, for real, I was on Windows for gaming. Gaming on Linux really does seem to “just work” now. I’m using CachyOS. It just works. The only tweak I had to do was to tell Helldivers 2 to use the vanilla version of Proton instead of Cachy’s version. So literally if I was on a more traditional distribution I’d have to do less.

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      All the games I play regularly worked with zero configuration. I can count on one hand the number of times I had to tweak something to get a game running. Gaming on Linux is amazing these days.

      However, there are a few popular games still broken. I don’t do online competitive, so this doesn’t impact me.

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      I was trying or Linux for gaming… But I found using mods too difficult or annoying and switched back to Windows. That’s only for my gaming machine though…I use a Linux laptop for everything else

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        SteamTinkerLaunch let’s you easily launch VMM and MO2 for basically any game, for anything else it should usually be as simple as finding the Linux path for your game and moving files by hand

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        I play all kinds of old games, Japanese games that require patching, and use mods. That technical stuff is why I haven’t tried Linux yet, because things are already irksome with a well-known OS. I don’t want to imagine what edge cases on Linux could be.

        Unfortunately, I might be forced to make the switch if Microsoft decides to ally with the Trump Regime. 😱

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      Yep. Used to be cautious about it working, having to check protondb before buying/installing/playing and what have you…

      but I havent done that in a year.

      I just install a game, even a new game, and it just works. No thought, no concern,no issues… OS related, that is, it obviously doesnt make buggy games not buggy, so buggy games are still buggy, but thats the games fault, and you’d run into that regardless of the OS… Like Cities Skylines 2 bad performance, or modded minecraft crashing due to mod things.

      Want to be specific so someone doesnt follow my post with a predictable “WELL I PLAYED insert known buggy game AND IT STILL CRASHED AND I DIDNT GET A BLOWJOB FROM BETTY WHITES GHOST OR ANYTHING, YOU LIAR!”

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        My aunt bought some Wal-Mart $200 Lenovo like 8 years ago. It ran Windows 10 like I run a mile…eventually. I put what upgrades into it I could (added some RAM and an SSD) and threw Linux Mint on it, perfectly usable.

        Last week: “Hey, can my Linux computer run The Sims? They just released a bundle with Sims 1 and 2.” I got to looking at it, “no info” on steam deck compatibility, system requirements require a newer GPU than her laptop, like they call out Intel HD 620 and she’s got Intel HD 520.

        Proton will almost certainly run it, but that machine’s iGPU won’t. I got to blame the hardware and not Linux!

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      Don’t need it to be the year of the Linux desktop for me to switch to use it myself.

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      The only way Linux ever becomes viable for the mainstream is when there is a single distribution that covers every feature and is as streamlined and user friendly as possible.

      • No command lines ever for anything
      • huge software compatibility
      • hardware compatibility of the newest and oldest of hardware
      • easy troubleshooting even your nan can follow
      • and most of all: every Linux user agrees it is the best Linux distribution (unless you are into niche stuff)

      So until even you guys can agree on one distribution being the best, it will not be the year of the Linux ever.–

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        Does this apply to Windows as well? Haha

        For Linux to go mainstream is simple. Have Linux be default on every computer sold in stores.

        Something like 99% of people who go to a store and buy a laptop, does so because they need a device to access their online bank or watch funny videos on YouTube. Maybe check their mail and open a PDF or two.

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          I think it doesn’t occur to most people to even consider what OS to use on a computer. They just use the computer.

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        Disclaimer: when I say “bullshit”, I do not mean “you are brainless fool”, I only mean “this idea is so ridiculously wrong it is time we put it to rest at last”

        No command lines ever for anything

        This annoys me so much I literally registered to answer: bullshit. Stop with that strawman, will ya all, Linux enthusiasts

        easy troubleshooting even your nan can follow

        Same level bullshit. Watch win (and mac?) being hell to debug

        every Linux user agrees it is the best Linux distribution

        Bullshit. See Win XP times with many custom-made “flavours”. That did nothing to make windows less popular

        when there is a single distribution

        Bullshit number one. Linux will become major thing as a result of people pushing back against corporate wall-gardening and spying and/or when it starts coming pre-installed (see Android phones for the latter). All the scary-command-line whining is just elitist bullshit

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          Hell people still argue about the best version of Windows lol (I miss XP and 7) people will never agree on a single Linux distro

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        I was going to make a crack about you inventing MacOSX, which is at least “Linux adjacent”, but I don’t know how to work without a command line on either Windows or Mac. Some functionality is just so much more inconvenient or even impossible through the GUI, even on those

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        So, Ubuntu 10+ years ago? For normie usage you don’t need to worry about any of those things. It comes with firefox.

        I worked in a PC repair shop until a few years ago. Most people didn’t want to buy MS office. Most of what they did is in a web browser. But most people that came in to buy a boot USB wanted a windows one rather than Linux, either way I just copied what ever ISO they wanted to it. Copy/paste doesn’t cost anything.

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        I used Linux on and off over the years and will probably switch back to using it when Windows 10 is no longer supported. Linux will never be mainstream but the user base would grow if every Steam game ran on Linux seamlessly. That’s probably never going to happen, though. There will also never be “the one” distro to rule them all. Mint and Ubuntu come pretty close.

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          It’s honestly getting there. The major barrier at this point is kernel level anti-cheat, which is a bad idea people shouldn’t be using anyway.

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    There’s still the odd game that’s somehow broken in WINE that isn’t broken by anticheat or DRM, but by just being crusty code, but those edge cases will do fine in a Windows VM /w a spare GPU being passed through to it.

    Anything that uses kernel anticheat, so basically any modern multiplayer title, is platform-locked into a baremetal Windows install, but since I have no interest whatsoever in modern multiplayer titles and thus no interest in anything with a kernel anticheat, I can do just fine virtualizing Windows in that scenario while using a Linux host for everything else.

    (which, Soulbringer, one of my previous edge-case titles, works great in Proton /w dxwrapper+DXVK, but Civ3’s audio is still broken in Proton even if C3X fixes the graphics, so that’s still being ran in a Windows VM, which I currently have Win11 LTSC running in a VM /w my Vega 56 being passed through to it for just that very purpose, while I’m using an RX 6600 for my host card)

    As for apps like Maya, Blender is actually competitive with it nowadays.

    As an addendum relating to modern multiplayer titles, those are the few titles where it would make more sense to play them on console instead of PC anyways since the way in which they’re locked down goes against PC’s main selling point: the fact that you actually own your system to a degree where the consoles are effectively locked into the PS, Xbox, or Nintendo walled garden.

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      I’ve read that modding many games is a total bitch-and-a-half on Linux, too. No idea if that’s true or not, but still. I’m a sicker for fuckin’ with games and if stuff breaks on Linux that works fine on windows, that’s a problem.

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        That depends, the Fallout and Elder Scrolls games are easily modded regardless of OS, and I’ve had good luck with HedgeModManager too for Sonic Generations, and even for Civ3, C3X fixes the black map bug however I haven’t found a good fix for the crackling and popping audio.

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        I really like Void. ZFS support is quite good (btrfs is better nowadays though so not a big deal) and it’s a lot more BSD like which is very nice from a simplicity perspective. The documentation is also very good.

        Runit boots very fast and is quite simple too.

        Packages are less recent though and I’ve had pain with some things (eg some QT stuff, Studio and some other misc packages. Neovim + Jupyter / podman solved this for me though)

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        I wanted to try something new and different than debian, ubuntu or fedora, but at the same time do not try something like arch. A few days ago at work I’ve mounted a VM with void linux and start reading its handbook , and wow, the OS is very intuitive, if you combine its practicity along fish you got a very handy system, but again, I tried because I wanted to try something different, I really didn’t try to satisfy a need. By the time, I should be able to tell if has the speed and performance to carry a selfhosted server; yesterday I started to migrate everything to void in my Lenovo Think Centre mini.

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          Nice. I hope it works out for you.

          I’m a full-time Nobara daily driver since January 2024. It perfectly suits my gaming needs and also is working very well for my home audio production needs. Might have been better off with a slower moving distro for that stuff but so far so good!

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      still didn’t reach that level im stuck at arch level how do find void is it good and from which point

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    I tried Mac os and I thought it was cool until I got docker and it made me make an account. It also in order to change things in the desktop environment you had to pay for apps and I’m cheap. Windows is annoying to me after being on Linux for so long even if they have wsl. My computer broke and I ended up needing Linux to make an old MacBook we had work again is the only reason I switched originally. Developing software I appreciate that the ide and terminal are super convenient to use. Normal people for Linux… Nope. Getting my Bluetooth to work was a 3 hour journey. Normal people use their PC that much in a month where as I use mine 12 hours+ a day.

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        Yea and I bet you installed it for them. If you provide IT support for people than yea totally doable. I switched to android and people call my phone a cheap phone or laugh at it granted the people I hang out with me included are middle class at best and I have a flagship phone and they are rocking iPhone 11s and stuff. Point being marketing is key and open source doesn’t have a Nike like following

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          Nah man, you just download an ISO and press next on the install screen.

          I didn’t install it for my family, my siblings did and they are labourers. If something went wrong they might ask me but it’s been 8 years and I’ve never had to touch any of the family computers. However, they are only used to browse the web, so not much to go wrong.

          I had to do a lot more maintenance on Windows a decade ago when they used excel for the family business. That was why they switched to Linux, apple sheets with MacOS was vastly more stable but Mac was $$$$, Linux was the better compromise.

          People like to simp for M$ but for stability and simplicity, Linux is vastly simpler for a home user.

          I can’t comment on enterprise use, there seems to be a lot of love for Microsoft Group Policies and VMWare among IT professionals, I dont like it but it must be good – not my area.

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          Sounds like you need to hang out with better people. I doubt my friends could even tell you what phone I use, and Androids can easily cost more than an iPhone. People who call it cheap are uneducated on the subject and leaning toward shallow at best.

          I installed Mint for my grandmother. I only visit twice a year and I’ve never had to help her fix it. On the other hand, I have have had to recover family Windows computers that had a bad update.

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          I did, because when you buy a PC, Linux is not installed by default. If it was, I wouldn’t have had to install it for them.

          Ever since moving everyone to Linux, I haven’t had to do any IT support. Honestly.

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            My Linux installs break all the time because I can’t leave well enough alone. It’s always been my own fault.

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    I’ve been moving over a few machines but some software isn’t easy to just switch. I have at least a dozen more to move, and a few machines I’m going to keep on Windows for now.