So I try to make heads or tails of this situation. I got randomly banned from a community where I posted a youtube video showing something from a Convention. Then I wanted to post a question today but realised that I couldn’t since I was banned. That community is sadly the biggest of all Star Citizen communities (the next one would be from lemmy.world)
I took a look at the Mod log and see the following line in it:
So no clean up of violating comments or posts, just a strict out ban.
The community has a pretty standard ruleset:
further, the moderator @Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ml hasn’t posted anything since a year, so what gives here, or was it some other mod that was able to declare the ban?
Getting banned from lemmy.ml is a badge of honor.
It’s probably @davel@lemmy.ml the pro-Russian shill.
Dude denies Russian propaganda even existing. These clowns are so uncultured they genuinely don’t understand how see-through their bullshit is.
Broaden your mind.
There is more than one Lemmy.ml admin:-).
This has nothing to do with the community. The modlog shows that you were banned site-wide from lemmy.ml, which is implemented by a ban from each individual community individually (so despite how this says it was done by a “mod”, it was actually an admin):
Removed Comment So they are doing a China? by macniel@feddit.org reason: Rule 1
It is an unwritten rule that you are not allowed to criticize China there. Or Russia. Or anything else that they do not like.
Oh damn now that makes sense. This site wide ban really needs to be conveyed better so I didn’t even thought of making that connection.
To bad that one of the biggest meme community is hosted on .ml
Everyone is better off not using .ml
Blocked them ages ago when they removed a silly meme that they thought might maybe be anti China, but was 100% unrelated.
The only ways that I know of to user-block Lemmy.ml:
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non-Lemmy PieFed (you can block any custom instance you wish - it lacks some polish compared to Lemmy but it’s really growing up strong and is even ahead in some ways, e.g. this one) or Sublinks, in the meantime Tesseract on dubvee.org that says it will switch to use the latter eventually. Edit: I forgot to mention Mbin, b/c I am not sure if it can or not. Someone said that originally Kbin could user-block whole instances, but there seem to be reports that Mbin cannot for whatever reason, and I have not made an account to check it out personally or a post to ask someone.
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lemmy.cafe that is very welcoming and has blocked all of the big 3, + threads, and interestingly, virtually nothing else. I think this should be among the new default recommendations really, the only downside seems to be that it has only a single admin so perhaps less stable than e.g. lemm.ee (though the latter allows lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, and lemmy.ml - which for some people is a good thing, but for people who want the opposite of that, without other additional restrictions, that’s lemme.cafe). It is notably running 0.19.6-beta.9 though, so the admin seems super on the ball, and it has really nice welcoming messages too, guiding people to a variety of helpful resources. Edit: oh I forgot about your instance, quokk.au, also only a single user, though it doesn’t block lemmygrad.ml for whatever reason, but yes that’s another option.
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someone said that the Boost app allows user-blocking of instances. I cannot confirm personally nor know of others - Voyager (on Android) cannot, but what about e.g. Sync?
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Lemmy ostensibly has a “user block of instances”, except it doesn’t really at all - all it does is block communities, not users, and what little protection it did offer irt the latter has actually weakened over time (e.g. for those in Lemmy.World running 0.19.3, users from blocked instances cannot trigger a “notification”, whereas for most people outside of that running 0.19.5 they can). At this point I don’t expect anything that will allow blocking lemmy.ml users to ever be released on any instance running the Lemmy codebase - the only options seem to be move to an instance offering defederation, leave Lemmy entirely, or suck it up and swallow what you’re given.
It makes sense that most instance admins do not want to defederate though, b/c some communities are still held hostage on the lemmy.ml instance - e.g. !firefox@lemmy.ml with 3.6K MAU (monthly active users) vs. the next largest one !firefox@lemmy.world with only 0.7K MAU, that’s an enormous difference! Actually it would be best if communities, especially niche ones, were not held hostage by ANY kind of political maneuvering - except there is literally nothing these days that is not political, it would seem, including “facts” themselves.
But yeah, one reason to move communities off is that the mods themselves could accidentally get booted, or at the very least their users could at any point say something that sets off the ban hammer - and then never be allowed to post or comment in the community again? Unless it’s a community called I_fucking_love_Russia_and_China_too, it’s a risk that can seriously fragment the Fediverse, to tie that content to a certain brand of political thinking.
Especially one that is nowhere written down, and could change at any given moment, also without any prior notification.
But so long as you continue to use the Lemmy software, what right does anyone have to complain about how the devs wish to implement their own code, which they wrote for themselves, for their own desires and ends?
If we want better, we have to make things that are better, on our own.
Voyager DOES allow you to user-block entire instances, it’s in the settings menu under “filters and blocks”
Hrm, I see. But that block seems to just set Lemmy’s default “user-level instance blocking”, which does not block users from the instance, only communities. i.e., it’s the same as the Lemmy web UI, and in it I see that I’ve already blocked Lemmy.ml, for all the good that it does - which I mean to say is not much.
So I meant here that the app does not provide additional functionality beyond the web UI, to do something that the web UI can or will not.
And this is why I don’t want to write a post about this topic - it’s terribly confusing, with so many fine-grain details that can trip someone up. This would be better written by a team of people who each know more about the various aspects, i.e. the different apps and methods of accessing the Fediverse. But at least here I offered what little I do know personally.
ooh i didn’t even realize there was a difference. you’re right, it is terribly confusing hahaha
It’s done that way on purpose, blocking the users from an instance can disrupt the flow of communities. It’s purpose isn’t to filter out users, it’s to filter out all communities on that instance. It’s not an alternative or replacement to defederation it’s an alternative to blocking every community from a specific instance, which is long and tedious.
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Hey folks, I just had an amazing idea: a drinking game. Drink a sip when someone gets banned from lemmy.ml, under rule #1, for criticising either Russia or China. Two sips if there’s no reasonable way to interpret it as criticism against the populations, only against the State or corporations.
…nah, bad idea. You’ll ruin your livers.
Serious now. After checking the modlog, it’s clearly a PTB (power-tripping bastards) case. The nearest of something bigoted that I could find in the modlog was
Conspiracy theorists, Populists and Putin Dick sucker will run with this for sure.
This is bad not because you’re criticising Putin, or Trump, but because of the expression itself. Even then, it’s more of a “Watch your language, you’re being homophobic”, not grounds for a month long ban. And let us not fool ourselves, this likely had zero impact on your ban.
Devils advocate: sucking dicks isn’t inherently gay (women exist), and “sucking someone’s dick” figuratively is a colloquial albeit explicit term for “sucking up” to someone, or “kissing ass.”
Saying “blah blah sucking putin’s dick” is homophobic (gay) is like saying “blah blah eating MTG’s box” is homophobic (lesbian).
The catch is that this only works to insult Trump because it’s seen as insulting on first place, and it’s only insulting because [homo|bi] men and women are seen as “less” than heterosexual men.
Counterpoint: I’d judge a woman for sucking putin’s literal dick just as much as I would a man, and it has more to do with the guy they’re choosing to have sexual relations with. If a guy or woman was blowing, idk, Weird Al or someone cool I wouldn’t bat an eye. Even if it wasn’t just a figurative bastardization of “sucking up,” the “bad” doesn’t come from the “gay” it comes from the “fuck that guy he’s a POS.”
If you are a mod from lemmy.ml reading this, go fuck yourself ban me.
You know, at those times I’m really glad that I’ve stopped moderating comms there. I closed one down, migrated another, but nobody can blame me for condoning this shit.
Thank you for your service. You are part of the solution here, we all can see it:-).
