Almost 20 years of military training and equipment and they did nothing. I get there was probably family on the other side, but the military basically gave up on the dreams of the Afghan women.
Well, there’s also that bit where we funded fundamentalists during the cold war to try and fuck with the soviets, and the imperialism we and the soviets did that led to radicalization. A problem that we exacerbated which bit us back in the ass a few decades later.
I wish the US had spent its efforts and resources towards completely eliminating the Taliban as an institution and ideology rather than kind of shoveling money around to opportunists with no skills for organizing people or maintaining loyalty. I think what happened instead was that the US was afraid of sparking a new movement that would eventually operate outside of its control so it funded what it thought it could control: rich assholes.
And now the religious fascists are back in charge. Wheee.
American occupation actually strengthened the Taliban compared to before the US came, so America does bear some responsibility for this. Left to their own devices, the Taliban would’ve likely collapsed under their own weight, but now it’s likely they’ll stick around for while because of Chinese support.
Do you see that collapse coming now that the Taliban have total control? Because that was the situation before the US invaded. We should have smashed Al Qaeda and then left, telling them that from now on, we’ll leave you alone as long as you leave us alone.
Do you see that collapse coming now that the Taliban have total control?
I mean I did say they now have Chinese support where at the time they’d have been more or less on their own.
Because that was the situation before the US invaded.
Untrue. The pre-2001 Taliban saw fierce resistance from the North Afghan Alliance, among others, and didn’t control all the country’s territory. Compare to now where there’s no meaningful resistance to their reign of terror.
Hear hear.
So, now we WANT America to perpetually occupy Afghanistan?
I think everyone wanted Afghanistan to not give up immediately and surrender to the Taliban. Fighting spirit like Ukraine.
Almost 20 years of military training and equipment and they did nothing. I get there was probably family on the other side, but the military basically gave up on the dreams of the Afghan women.
We should (the west as this is not just on the states) have armed and trained the women and not the failsons.
If we could watch alternate time lines that’d be interesting to watch unfold
we wanted them not to occupy it in the first place.
i think everyone is at loss on how to fix it now.
Well, there’s also that bit where we funded fundamentalists during the cold war to try and fuck with the soviets, and the imperialism we and the soviets did that led to radicalization. A problem that we exacerbated which bit us back in the ass a few decades later.
Saudi was the one who built all the madrassas that created fundie fanatics.
And now the other countries are trying to do similar to us lol.
Yes, that’s the only option. It’s always occupation or no occupation. No other options exist. /s
I mean, yes?
There are literally no other options than occupation or no occupation.
I wish the US had spent its efforts and resources towards completely eliminating the Taliban as an institution and ideology rather than kind of shoveling money around to opportunists with no skills for organizing people or maintaining loyalty. I think what happened instead was that the US was afraid of sparking a new movement that would eventually operate outside of its control so it funded what it thought it could control: rich assholes.
And now the religious fascists are back in charge. Wheee.
American occupation actually strengthened the Taliban compared to before the US came, so America does bear some responsibility for this. Left to their own devices, the Taliban would’ve likely collapsed under their own weight, but now it’s likely they’ll stick around for while because of Chinese support.
Do you see that collapse coming now that the Taliban have total control? Because that was the situation before the US invaded. We should have smashed Al Qaeda and then left, telling them that from now on, we’ll leave you alone as long as you leave us alone.
I mean I did say they now have Chinese support where at the time they’d have been more or less on their own.
Untrue. The pre-2001 Taliban saw fierce resistance from the North Afghan Alliance, among others, and didn’t control all the country’s territory. Compare to now where there’s no meaningful resistance to their reign of terror.
Since when is it the world’s responsibility to save you from your superstitions?
Since when is it the world’s responsibility to explain shit to you?
The US invasion strengthened the Taliban and basically killed native resistance to their regime, so the US does bear some responsibility for this.