Militant group is ‘waging an all-out war against us’, says one Kabul resident in response to the bizarre rule

In a rambling voice message on Monday, the country’s minister for the promotion of virtue and prevention of vice announced the bizarre new restriction on women’s behaviour.

    • Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee
      522·
      2 months ago

      Now I’m not the most up to date on politics and the like, so what I am about to say might be pretty controversial, but I’m sorta thinking I agree with you.

    • assembly@lemmy.world
      92·
      2 months ago

      All I’m saying is that SkyNet would never allow that. I vote for SkyNet takeover of humanity.

      • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
        346·
        2 months ago

        Username checks out. Still a dumb take that I would expect somewhere in atheistmemes not in a serious community talking about the gender apartheid that a hardcore religious conservative group has imposed. And now it will confuse you that I’m also criticizing them, because who wouldn’t criticize the fucking Taliban, but I’m so tired of this low quality „religion bad“ content when the actual problem is REALLY shitty people.

        Remember the Soviets, remember the Nazis, remember Mao? Those guys hated religion and have caused the deaths of literally hundreds of millions. So you wanna criticize religion, go ahead, but please for the sake of the whole community do it like an adult, not like a 14 year old in atheistmemes.

        • moriquende@lemmy.world
          294·
          2 months ago

          Does the religion believe in the 72 virgins when you die? Yes. Does the religion prescribe treating women like property? Yes.

          Everything they said is true, not sure why you’re getting triggered?

        • friend_of_satan@lemmy.worldEnglish
          222·
          2 months ago

          I didn’t say that religion is bad. I said “a religion … treats women like property.” Nobody says that about Jainism. You can’t even say that about satanism. Some religions treat women badly, and others don’t.

          • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
            327·
            2 months ago

            Yeah look I’m not going to get into pointless discussions about religions that just going to end up like talking about football teams. You wanna criticize religion as a concept feel free to, but you’ll always end up sounding like you’re 12 when you’re painting with such a broad brush over something like 1.5 billion people. You may not notice in this circle jerk or even the circle jerk that is liberal media but people who tend to have strong simplified opinions on one topic usually have them about others as well. I hope you will experience that the world is more complicated than that and hopefully it will make you think.

              • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
                13·
                2 months ago

                Dog whistle for what? For not liking that it’s ridiculous what kind of shit you can say when it’s about those people? The shit people say nowadays about Muslims and Islam is the same shit they said a 100 years ago about Jews and it was and still is liberal media who’s carrying this into the middle of society, not some MAGA Qanon looney toons who live in their own world anyway.

                I’m not surprised people here are confused and that’s exactly what I’m criticizing and what makes me being downvoted to oblivion, some topics people aren’t capable of understanding nuance and this is one of them.

                • catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  Nope. You’re just wrong. Nothing you’re saying here is true. That’s why you’re being down voted. You’re just too thick skulled to admit it so you keep doubling down

          • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
            111·
            2 months ago

            So personality cult and the extremism resulting from it could be the actual problem? I get the point of criticizing the adverse effects that organized religion can have, but especially when it comes to that religion the quality of comments usually goes to elementary school level and it’s not because there’s anything special about it except that you can get into a nice circlejerk because criticizing Islam nowadays is as accepted as it was to criticize Judaism 100 years ago. So again, I’m not saying you can’t criticize religion but for the love of it bring some substance to your argument because as of now I don’t see how this would be any contribution whatsoever to a very serious and disturbing development in Afghanistan.

    • FarFarAway@startrek.websiteEnglish
      7·
      2 months ago

      I was listening my local radio station and they had a story about how women were banned from speaking in public. One of the guest speakers (mostly, women from Afghanistan) gave a history of how it became like this.

      There were freedom fighters, or Mujahideen, which were trained in jihad against the Soviets. And part of that indoctrination involved physical separation between males and females, including family members, of the boys and men that later became the Taliban. And part of that indoctrination involved the mullahs, or teachers in those seminaries, teaching or indoctrinating the students, all males, that females are the source of temptation to sinful acts.

      There’s more to it in the story / transcript, but that was the basic premise.

  • Zier@fedia.io
    583·
    2 months ago

    Religion: Reminding people how stupid Humanity can be.

  • 58008@lemmy.worldEnglish
    423·
    2 months ago

    At what point do we treat this as the hostage situation it really is and do something about it?

    • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
      69·
      2 months ago

      Got any suggestions? We tried bombing them to the stone Age, we tried training their military to avoid jihadist radicals taking over. The EU court ruled that just being a woman from Afghanistan is enough reason to get asylum. And the people from there that actively committed to lasting difference over the last 2 decades have either left the country, are in hiding or dead. It’s horrific.

        • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
          111·
          2 months ago

          What morality?

          Allowing training camps for al queda in your country and train their terrorists to spread terror will get you kicked in the teeth? Cause and effect.

          Because as far as I know there was no other reason for the invasion.

          While we where there we did not allow wholesale enslavement of women and some of the other things jihadist would love to do to people when in charge.

          So what of those things do you disagree with, can you enlighten me? Should we have let the terrorists train there? Or should we have let their jihadist laws enslaving women be left on the books while we where there.

          • yetiftw@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 months ago

            the issue goes back much further than the physical invasion. morality has to be cultivated from within. it’s not enough just to be right

            • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
              11·
              2 months ago

              Sure, but it is not as if nothing was tried once the country was invaded. It was just a quagmire and the power brokers of the country can function under the US or the Taliban… they don’t care about anything but their tribe and their bottom line.

    • kerrigan778@lemmy.world
      7·
      2 months ago

      Never, if the world learned anything from the last 20 years it’s that the only ones who can free Afghanistan are the Afghanis

      • Comment105@lemm.ee
        41·
        2 months ago

        And they don’t wanna.

        I’d kinda love to see a successful approach to these kinds of issues where the UN would do something like drive protected buses into these areas, where the expectation is an unalienable right to enter those buses, with maybe 2/3rds of the seats reserved for women and children.

        I wonder if any realistic iteration of that could work to get a decent number of would-be refugees out of situations they want out of, maybe a few thousand, ideally tens of thousands if not more.

        It sounds like something that maybe could be made to work if communicated right, but could also meet armed resistance in many places, and there would probably be a lot of men making “their” women stay by force or coercion or lying, probably a lot of hiding inside while the buses pass.

        I wonder if it could be done in a way that makes it worth it. It feels like the sort of rescue the UN should be doing.

        It also feels like it really forces evil men to show their hand, reveal themselves explicitly as captors, and make it far easier to justify killing them, as I believe that is the ethical response to men who hold their wife hostage.

    • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
      92·
      2 months ago

      Anything shy of eliminating all the conservatives in the region will result in this continuing. This is the natural result of unchecked conservatism. It has metastasized there.

        • Randomgal@lemmy.ca
          7·
          2 months ago

          No he didn’t. If you look at the US, they are pushing for the same and they are cristo-facists. “Religion” is just an excuse that extremists propagate so that people like you point the finger at anything but them.

      • Benjaben@lemmy.world
        20·
        2 months ago

        Bizarre and unique, the Abrahamics’ specific (yet general enough) characteristics. And evergreen! See only the Mormon church, a recent cult, for example - unbelievably successful. Invented out of whole cloth within the last 200 years. Tax exempt and owns ~4% of the land in the US today, to say nothing of their business interests (cuz it’s even harder to know).

        They venerate Jesus.

          • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 months ago

            If the Bible was non-fiction, he’s probably been like that since not too long after Constantine.

            It was less than 100 years between Constantine declared Christians could practice without persecution and Theodosius first declaring it the official religion of Rome and then later banning public practice of any other religions, which started up the persecution of non-Christians.

            That didn’t really lose momentum until the enlightenment, when people started talking about religious freedom, and then the American and French revolutions, which involved adding religious freedom as a legally protected thing.

            Not that that stopped the hate, it just meant state resources weren’t supposed to be openly used to support that hate.

        • Randomgal@lemmy.ca
          21·
          2 months ago

          They don’t? They’re all about Joseph Smith. Jesus is kinda there win the background.

          • Benjaben@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 months ago

            They revere Joseph Smith for sure (and some other made up folks like Moroni or whatever) but I think it’s incorrect to say Jesus has taken a back seat in their faith. I just toured one of their temples (which they allow only briefly before they consecrate it), JC was everywhere. Not sure I saw any imagery of Joseph Smith, but it was a lot to take in and I may have missed it.

            • Randomgal@lemmy.ca
              2·
              2 months ago

              Thanks guys I learned something today! I really thought it was Joseph > Jesus but it makes sense you wouldn’t talk about the bro every Sunday. lol.

              • Benjaben@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 months ago

                I could be wrong about things, to be clear, I’m mostly just making inferences from my personal observations, which is gonna come with a lotta holes lol. Cheers, have a good one!

                Edit to add: for a fun tidbit, we Mormonized our profanity a bit for grins, it’s not uncommon in my household to hear “Joseph fucking Smith!” or “ah thank Joseph Smith” in response to bad or good news, respectively. But that’s just us being equal opportunity religious critics, diversity and representation are crucial!

          • 0ops@lemm.ee
            1·
            2 months ago

            Atheist here, but grew up mormon: Jesus is definitely the main character. I’m hazy on the details but it’s even mormon canon that a lot of events in the old testament involved Jesus in pre-birth spirit form (or something idk), or were at least analogous to his life. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are to Mormons as any notable dead pope is to Catholics - revered, spiritual authorities, allegedly could talk to god, but they’re not worshiped and they didn’t come up every Sunday, they were kind of in the background

  • Akuchimoya@startrek.website
    22·
    2 months ago

    Looks like it’s time for sign language to rise. Are the Taliban going to say that women can’t move their hands? (How will they serve their masters men otherwise?)

  • 2ugly2live@lemmy.world
    20·
    2 months ago

    That’s so fucking weird.

    “Because some of us have not learned personal space, women may not be seen, heard, or spoken of, even by other women. 'Cause they’re scary 🥺”

  • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
    244·
    2 months ago

    A lot of people want to point at religion but these are conservative sentiments. The Taliban was only popular due to it’s anti-imperialism fighting foreign invaders like the Soviets and US. Now that the people of Afghanistan can turn to internal politics, the can fight to end or reform the Taliban’s oppressive rule. The Taliban is sowing the seeds of their own demise via popular revolution

    • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
      114·
      2 months ago

      The problem is, they’ve actually successfully reduced corruption from the unjust kleptocracy the US installed. Shits pretty bad when the fucking taliban can come along and create a less corrupt government.

        • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
          71·
          2 months ago

          https://tradingeconomics.com/afghanistan/corruption-index

          Along with the general removal of US money spigots and the CIA/DOD putting it’s thumb on the scale for corrupt politicians that will collaborate with them. It’s frankly the entire reason the regime folded so fast when the Taliban invaded. Entire divisions of troops were just some guy taking their paychecks and putting it into his pocket after forcing them to sign up. And when everyone is power is just blatantly stealing while being propped up by US agencies for being cooperative, well, it trickles down.