• Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    9 days ago

    Why do you support a system that repeatedly makes you choose between mega hitler and giga hitler? Surely you recognize that such a system is evil and participation is an endorsement of it.

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      9 days ago

      That’s a very difficult concept for them to understand. The mental gymnastics I’ve seen them use to excuse or defend genocide has been wild.

      By just saying, “I don’t want to endorse a genocide.” sends them into a frothing rage, with arguments immediately fired against the right. They see it as ‘us vs. them’, but fail to see that people don’t want to endorse a genocide no matter the color of the party.

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      9 days ago

      Non-participation is simply letting the greater evil win.

      They’re not suddenly going to ditch first past the post because of some protest voters/abstainers.

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        6 days ago

        What would you call a machine that routinely and predictably produces evil outputs with marginal differences between them? How reliable of an evil-producer does this machine have to be before you recognize that the production of a certain type of evil is the machine’s purpose?

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        Dem supporters have been holding their noses for 50+ years and voting for the “lesser evil”. If that has brought us to this election, where your choice is between “genocide” and “genocide +”, isn’t it obvious that voting for the “lesser evil” just inevitably trends towards the greater evil over time? It is not a successful strategy at mitigating harm.

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          isn’t it obvious that voting for the “lesser evil” just inevitably trends towards the greater evil over time? .

          What’s obvious is that multiple election cycles of non-participation lead to people who want the greater evil winning the vote more often.

          It is not a successful strategy at mitigating harm

          Counterpoint: literally any of the things that happened under Trump that Hillary almost certainly wouldn’t have done.

          Like nominating three of the judges that overturned roe

          We’ve been down that road before

          What doesn’t happen is non-participation leading to the abolishion of America’s two party system.

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          “Over time” being the crucial detail. I’ll take every opportunity I can to buy time to slow the trend toward greater evil. Gives us time to get actual leftists into positions that will actually make them viable presidential candidates.

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            Those 150+ years of bourgeois “democracy” (IE capitalist dictatorship) got the US to where it is now. Don’t worry tho, keep doing the same thing over and over again, the US just keeps improving. /s

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        Since you just did the thing they described but without addressing it, let me repeat them.

        Why do you support a system that repeatedly makes you choose between mega hitler and giga hitler? Surely you recognize that such a system is evil and participation is an endorsement of it.

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          So you’ve stopped paying taxes then? Since “such a system is evil and participation is an endorsement of it”

          It’s those tax dollars that build bombs for Israel. If you’re paying them, you’re paying for genocide.

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            So you’ve stopped paying taxes then? Since “such a system is evil and participation is an endorsement of it”

            The MIC is funded through financial magic and imperialism. If tax fraud would oppose them, I would probably do it, but it really does not.

            It’s those tax dollars that build bombs for Israel. If you’re paying them, you’re paying for genocide.

            The “tax dollars” for the bombs are invented out of thin air. However, the people that make the bombs and deliver the bombs and drop the bombs are doing all of those things and we should organize to stymy those efforts.

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          Because if Giga Hitler wins, then the Overton window shifts even farther, and the next election is between Giga Hitler and Hyper Giga Hitler Zero.

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            It shifts right under both because the population does not build leverage against either but both Hitlers eschew anything vaguely left.

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                Biden-Harris is the “Mega Hitler”. It is doing a genocide right now. The party moved right under them.

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                  I’m pretty sure the party has done a genocide before, so IDK about “moved right”.

                  I agree the status quo is fucking awful, I just don’t agree that pouring gas on the fire will help.

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                    Dems are embracing Trump’s wall and harsh immigration stances, tolerating transphobic candidates, and doing this genocide fairly openly.

                    I think electing more Dems would be the accelerationist position