• undergroundoverground@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    Its true, the things that stop crime can only ever be made by a state.

    In fact, people never managed to stop or punish theft or a murder until we invesnted states.

    Yup, before states, if someone came a murdered your friend you had to trust that what you just witnessed didn’t happen because there was literally nothing you could do about it, as states hadn’t been invented yet.

    Its good thing were too smart to fall for that…

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      5 hours ago

      …and your proposed alternative is…?

      I really, really hope I don’t have to explain why vigilante justice is a bad idea.

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        4 hours ago

        Lol nice try but I don’t have to provide you with an alternative for you to attack. You’re wasting youre time there.

        The point is, even all those hundreds of years ago, we had an alternative to just trusting that crime wouldn’t exist, as you suggested was the only alternative.

        Other than its state-ness exaplin the difference between state vigilante justice and the exact equivalent done by any other kind of group.

        I really, really hope I don’t have to explain why it being done by a state doesn’t magically make it better, in of itself.

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          Lol nice try but I don’t have to provide you with an alternative for you to attack. You’re wasting youre time there.

          “See, the thing is, I already know I’m right, so I’m not going to waste time by giving you arguments to find flaws in.”

          I really, really hope I don’t have to explain why it being done by a state doesn’t magically make it better, in of itself.

          …you mean why a system of justice that is held liable to a court system is not superior to a system of justice where people can just go after whomever they want? yeah, you do have to explain that actually

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      5 hours ago

      Before states if someone murdered your friend it would either split the tribe and/or you’d go to war with the tribe that killed your friend. Is that really better?

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          5 hours ago

          I’m not sure where anyone suggested that people had to trust that crime doesn’t exist.

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              2 minutes ago

              It’s one of the major themes of the source that you linked.

              The many stories, past and present, that demonstrate how anarchy works have been suppressed and distorted because of the revolutionary conclusions we might draw from them. We can live in a society with no bosses, masters, politicians, or bureaucrats; a society with no judges, no police, and no criminals, no rich or poor; a society free of sexism, homophobia, and transphobia; a society in which the wounds from centuries of enslavement, colonialism, and genocide are finally allowed to heal. The only things stopping us are the prisons, programming, and paychecks of the powerful, as well as our own lack of faith in ourselves.