• celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 hours ago

    Bad faith framing of the issue. Donald Trump literally wants to turn America into Gilead and Harris wants to enrich herself while also marginally improving living conditions for working class Americans. If you want to have the revolution today, all the power to you, but until then, voting for the lesser of two evils is the only ethical choice.

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      It isn’t “bad-faith,” I am entirely serious when I say that the lesser evil is to delegitimize the electoral system and push for leftists to abandon the Democrats, who have proven their unshakeable interests. Revolution may be 99.9% more likely than reform, but that .1% chance is worth taking. Even if that .1% chance fails, it aids in deligitimizing the electoral system and prevents Democrats from being able to get away with literal genocide.

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        2 hours ago

        So, your plan for fixing everything is for the left to stop voting so that the right can win and make voting illegal.

        Because that’s how it works.

        This election in particular has democracy itself on the ballot.

        It may be a flawed democracy, but the only other option is a fascist dictatorship.

        There are no other options because of First Past the Post voting. Literally. The math does not lie.

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          So, your plan for fixing everything is for the left to stop voting so that the right can win and make voting illegal.

          No, my plan for fixing everything is to stop thinking voting fixes anything. Organize outside the electoral system and build dual power.

          This election in particular has democracy itself on the ballot.

          Ah, the endless lie. The US will always remain a bourgeois democracy, ie a democracy largely in name only.

          It may be a flawed democracy, but the only other option is a fascist dictatorship.

          Fascism is Capitalism in decay, can’t get rid of fascism by voting it out. You will repeat this lie until the US pushes us into World War 3 or we die of Climate Change, unless Leftists succeed in saving the world.

          There are no other options because of First Past the Post voting. Literally. The math does not lie.

          Math doesn’t lie, but you do.