To be completely honest, this is the sort of thing I avoid reading about because trans women are always called groomers and pedophiles. Statistically there would be some but the accusations don’t match that.I hope your being a lemmygrad user means you aren’t anti-trans and can answer a few questions I have about this.
I know there are discord leaks and there were minors on their discord. Given Mr. Beasts’ audience is mostly comprises of minors this seems like it would be a natural result. I have also seen people claim that any trans women being around any children is grooming and pedophilia (I’ve had this levied at me once when arguing against drag bans in my state). What did Ava say or do in Discord that is relevant here? My understanding is that the girl and now woman Lava, who accisers said was groomed, has explicitly said she isn’t a victim and wasn’t groomed.
Shadman Poster. I forgot about that guy but I had seen their “work” on the internet like a decade plus ago so I’m moderately familiar - gross, leather/spandex, Nazi imagery, right? Is this accusation that she is a Nazi for supporting him by buying a poster? What was the poster of?
Sexual harassment claims - also something often levied at trans women more often than true. And it sounds like it was a consensual sexual relationship from what I’ve read, is there more to that story?
being a lemmygrad user means you aren’t anti-trans
When DrDisrespectingTheAgeofConsent was initially exposed, I slept on the fence for a while until more information against him came out. I did the exact same thing with Kris Tyson because the internet doesn’t know the phrase “innocent until proven guilty”.
Porn threads and messages like this, given there were minors at the time this is alarming, especially given MrBeast participated in some convos. Full leak
The poster was of an underage autistic girl. What’s specifically alarming is why does she have a poster of it given Shadman’s history? Especially given he drew someone’s underage daughter in a sexual manner. Even if it was for the sake of being edgy I refuse to stoop that low.
Thank you for the info. That said, you have raised a few red flags here. You quoted me saying I hope you aren’t anti-trans but didn’t respond to it, you’re referring to Ava Kris Tyson as just Kris Tyson dropping the feminine first name for the masculine middle name, based on her dead name, and you haven’t referred to her with her pronouns (she/her/hers) at all here This brings me back to anti-trans people making shit up or making mountains out of mole hills because they want to justify hating all trans people by figuring out ways to cancel us all individually. Can you affirmatively say that, regardless of if Ava Kris Tyson is a shitty person, she is still a woman and her name is still Ava?
My initial thoughts on these are:
The screenshot you showed is certainly not great but I don’t really follow. Who is Ava in this exchange? Or who is Discount Milk - are they a minor and then saying they would know Ava’s penis size the alarming part of that screenshot? This seems to be more of an issue with all of Mr Beast’s discord community and not to do with just Ava, obviously Mr Beast is also talking about genitals there. I tried to click through to your source for the leaks and it appears to be xml files that I don’t have the capacity to parse right now, and this reminds me of gish galloping which I often see when people are trying to cancel trans women. If this is an issue with the whole of Mr Beast then why is Ava being singled out? While I appreciate the hour and a half long video, I don’t think I’m going to set aside that much time to watch it.
I did end up digging it up. Idk if it really looks like an underage girl but she does have braces so I can see it. Is she based on a real person, you said she has autism? Either way, yeah, that is gross and certainly hard to defend.
This is a complicated story and one that clearly has two sides. The fact she says she was sexually taken advantage of for a week and then later agreed to move in with Ava leaves me with a lot of questions about how she framed their initial relationship in the first place. The fact that she keeps saying Ava wasn’t a reciprocate lover makes it seem like she’s just a bitter ex… And the messages she shows are all perfectly respectful of her boundaries and making her comfortable. She shows that she sent nudes to Ava and Ava responded well to them, which is both a non-issue in and of itself (e.g. Ava didn’t do anything wrong by replying to the nudes), and it really implies that she was not done with their sexual relationship her self. And the rest just sounds like a toxic relationship. I wouldn’t want to date Ava after seeing this, but I also don’t see it as being a necessarily evil act on her part. The worst thing about this seems to be the mixing of work and private relationships, but that is kind of just how that works for public figures.
you haven’t referred to her with her pronouns (she/her/hers) at all here.
I did refer to Ava as “she”. The “he” refers to Shadman
Can you affirmatively say that, regardless of if Ava Kris Tyson is a shitty person, she is still a woman and her name is still Ava?
Yes.
Who is Ava in this exchange? Or who is Discount Milk - are they a minor and then saying they would know Ava’s penis size the alarming part of that screenshot?
Yeah, sorry, I did see you were using she/her pronouns that is my bad. Thank you for the clarification regarding you being trans accepting, I’m glad to hear it and I appreciate it.
The shadman part is gross, but also quite a while ago and I know how edgy the Internet was back then. It seems tacked on to make her out to be a pedophile, which is a stretch. I remember that I heard about Shadman due to the same edgelords promoting him and showing off how edgy they are. It was basically a meme. Shadman by all means is a disgusting piece of shit who deserves jail, and it is gross that Ava would support that artist financially given they always displayed that they are a literal Nazi.
It does sound like the Discord part of this should be bigger than Ava, in particular the discord being sexually explicit. I don’t really see why her penis being mentioned makes her the problem here, Mr Beast and those other users were the ones talking about it. It seems like the whole discord was bad. There was also some casual racism in the whole black person and penis size thing. Nasty. I would also go so far as to say that the non-public aspect of Discord and it’s prevalence among gamers (who obviously skew young) is a part of the problem here, and Discord bears part of the responsibility for enabling this. They could have easily seen that they allowed minors and discussed sex and shut it all down, but likely due to their bottom line they didn’t. Why aren’t people outraged at Discord for not doing basic keyword detection for minor-facing communities? It seems the entire MrBeast crew/affiliates, including Ava, and Discord are responsible for this.
Why aren’t people outraged at Discord for not doing basic keyword detection for minor-facing communities? It seems the entire MrBeast crew/affiliates, including Ava, and Discord are responsible for this.
In typical capitalist fashion, money. It’s more profitable protecting and enabling pedophiles like DrDisrespect, Jeffrey Ep$tein, Donald Trump, Dan Schneider, Chris Savino, SSSniperwolf, et al. Especially when they bring in lots of money. Capitalism by definition protects and enables pedophilia.
To be completely honest, this is the sort of thing I avoid reading about because trans women are always called groomers and pedophiles. Statistically there would be some but the accusations don’t match that.I hope your being a lemmygrad user means you aren’t anti-trans and can answer a few questions I have about this.
When DrDisrespectingTheAgeofConsent was initially exposed, I slept on the fence for a while until more information against him came out. I did the exact same thing with Kris Tyson because the internet doesn’t know the phrase “innocent until proven guilty”.
For additional context: Ava Tyson Is Indefensible
Porn threads and messages like this,
given there were minors at the time this is alarming, especially given MrBeast participated in some convos. Full leak
The poster was of an underage autistic girl. What’s specifically alarming is why does she have a poster of it given Shadman’s history? Especially given he drew someone’s underage daughter in a sexual manner. Even if it was for the sake of being edgy I refuse to stoop that low.
Yes. There’s more
Thank you for the info. That said, you have raised a few red flags here. You quoted me saying I hope you aren’t anti-trans but didn’t respond to it, you’re referring to Ava Kris Tyson as just Kris Tyson dropping the feminine first name for the masculine middle name, based on her dead name,
and you haven’t referred to her with her pronouns (she/her/hers) at all hereThis brings me back to anti-trans people making shit up or making mountains out of mole hills because they want to justify hating all trans people by figuring out ways to cancel us all individually. Can you affirmatively say that, regardless of if Ava Kris Tyson is a shitty person, she is still a woman and her name is still Ava?My initial thoughts on these are:
A few things
I did refer to Ava as “she”. The “he” refers to Shadman
Yes.
Sorry, I forgot to clarify that the messages in the leak use her deadname (Chris). Discount Milk is an irl friend of hers. https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/streamers/news-ava-kris-tyson-alleged-discord-messages-leak-everything-know-far.
Under normal circumstances it would be odd. Thing is the chats have underage folks during the time so uh… yeah.
Yeah, sorry, I did see you were using she/her pronouns that is my bad. Thank you for the clarification regarding you being trans accepting, I’m glad to hear it and I appreciate it.
The shadman part is gross, but also quite a while ago and I know how edgy the Internet was back then. It seems tacked on to make her out to be a pedophile, which is a stretch. I remember that I heard about Shadman due to the same edgelords promoting him and showing off how edgy they are. It was basically a meme. Shadman by all means is a disgusting piece of shit who deserves jail, and it is gross that Ava would support that artist financially given they always displayed that they are a literal Nazi.
It does sound like the Discord part of this should be bigger than Ava, in particular the discord being sexually explicit. I don’t really see why her penis being mentioned makes her the problem here, Mr Beast and those other users were the ones talking about it. It seems like the whole discord was bad. There was also some casual racism in the whole black person and penis size thing. Nasty. I would also go so far as to say that the non-public aspect of Discord and it’s prevalence among gamers (who obviously skew young) is a part of the problem here, and Discord bears part of the responsibility for enabling this. They could have easily seen that they allowed minors and discussed sex and shut it all down, but likely due to their bottom line they didn’t. Why aren’t people outraged at Discord for not doing basic keyword detection for minor-facing communities? It seems the entire MrBeast crew/affiliates, including Ava, and Discord are responsible for this.
In typical capitalist fashion, money. It’s more profitable protecting and enabling pedophiles like DrDisrespect, Jeffrey Ep$tein, Donald Trump, Dan Schneider, Chris Savino, SSSniperwolf, et al. Especially when they bring in lots of money. Capitalism by definition protects and enables pedophilia.