When I see footage of protesters they mostly get tackled, tear gassed, or chased off. And in no way have I ever see them with a gun, knife, or any other form of defense to protect themselves.
When I see footage of protesters they mostly get tackled, tear gassed, or chased off. And in no way have I ever see them with a gun, knife, or any other form of defense to protect themselves.
and they will always be massively out numbered so any organized aggression will win. Protesters have taken police stations
I always go back and forth on this part, because protesters with a handful of guns greatly outnumber the police with bigger guns. So, in theory, the protesters would win, but not without major losses. The police station example is a good one.
But I don’t know if it’s worth escalating until we’re actually ready to start a revolution. Any escalation will eventually be outdone by police, right? The only way we can possibly win is by sheer numbers and organizing. That would necessitate a massive amount of organizing. And until we’re ready for that, we’re just gonna get squished.
It reminds me of the BLM activity in the Pacific Northwest in 2020. I mean Seattle literally had multiple city blocks that police weren’t allowed to enter. But eventually it falls.
But I don’t know. I feel like my thoughts around this are wrong in some way. It also feels like the left has been tricked into peacefully protesting and we’re just having a hard time getting out of that.
In my local organizing, it’s pretty tough because it kind of feels like everybody is so damn hesitant to actually piss people off or be too inconvenient or something like that. Nobody wants to block a bridge or shut down a plant or anything like that because everyone is so afraid of the optics.
If protesters are armed, the pigs are going to wild and start massacring. The protesters will win but at a very large human cost.
Protesters already barely have the support of their fellow
liberalsAmericans, if the guns come out, even despite being in self defense, they’ll lose even that negligible support they optimistically speaking probably (maybe) had.If you think that we’re coming out of things here in the imperial cores, without a large human cost- you’re more optimistic than I am. In many ways already, even in the cores, tens of thousands if not outright millions (over a million from covid alone in the US) are already dying, and the self-cannibalization of the system is only intensifying. Meanwhile all these western societies are built upon the same imperialist divide-and-conquer schemes they inflicted abroad, all to divide the working class to its greatest extent- they pit whites against minorities, minorities against other minorities, and they even support and inoculate fascists, terrorists, tribalists, organized crime, etc. from around the globe (and within their own countries’ populations as well) within their societies.
That said, I don’t think the time for arms is when people are merely protesting, when they have delusions that their words mean anything to the empire’s elites, when they think they can have a seat at the table rather than be part of the menu. Maybe I’m wrong; I’m willing to entertain that idea, but the massacres will begin well before protesters arm up (and massacres against peaceful protesters are no rare or unique thing in western history or even recent history). The worsening (and already inhumane) material conditions, and the inhumane, unjustifiable crackdowns used to maintain such conditions, in other words, necessity for even just survival- will be what drives the revolution (IMO); I see our role as to agitate and provide principles and understanding for what is to come, not to throw ourselves on the pyre as sacrifices while the population at large is not ready to follow through- that’s my take on it anyways.