Who even needs investigative journalists with hidden cameras when there’s Israeli state television

  • ???@lemmy.world
    1·
    9 months ago

    Do you even know for sure these men are Hamss? Or do you just believe any “report”?

    Asking since you seem to think criminals deserve no human rights. As a lawyer I’m sure this isn’t your professional opinion but somehow it’s good enough for Palestinians 🙂

    And btw was America a democracy when women and black people couldn’t vote? This was a question on another thread about a similar topic

    • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
      12·
      9 months ago

      No I have no idea if they are Hamas. I hope they aren’t doing this to people who just want to live their lives and I don’t think they are.

      As to your other question if you’re going to make me respond I think it’s a revealing question for you to ask. It obviously was then and still is, without serious debate by political scientists of that day and this day. You sound as if you’re asking me if the world was flat some arbitrary amount of time ago, it wasn’t then and it still isn’t. And don’t get emotional with me, I didn’t make up all of political science.

      Wherever people are practicing democracy, no matter how dim the flame may look to you, it is much brighter than the total darkness of mysticism and fear that governed all societies for most of world history.

      As I’ve said I appreciate you and your entire perspective on this and mine is obviously different. I’m about people, and if you must know I represent people exclusively and for me, lasting civil rights, enshrined in primary law and custom, with the consent of the people and checks and balances. It’s incompatible with religious extremists out there chanting death to American and death to Israel. And that’s fine until they start crossing borders to kill civilians and talking about having their own country.

      It’s not going to happen.

      • ???@lemmy.world
        1·
        9 months ago

        No I have no idea if they are Hamas. I hope they aren’t doing this to people who just want to live their lives and I don’t think they are.

        Why don’t you think they are? What makes you dismiss everything a Palestinian doctor or ambulance staff would say as “mere reports”, but when it’s the IDF or Israel you say shit like “and I don’t think they are.”

        Why? What’s the difference? What makes you think they aren’t doing this, when everything else in the news we have been seeing points to the opposite: that torture in Israeli prisons is alive and well and some have even been killed in custody.

        It obviously was then and still is, without serious debate by political scientists of that day and this day.

        So just to get this right:

        YOU BELIEVE THAT AMERICA WAS A DEMOCRACY EVEN WHEN WOMEN WERE SEEN AS SUBHUMAN AND NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE AND WHEN BLACK PEOPLE WERE SEEN AS SLAVES AND COULDN’T VOTE?

        Well, buddy, then I understand you fully. You’re actually just someone totally okay with fascism as long as its dressed in sheep’s clothing pretending to be a democracy. Regardless or your treatment of women and black people in daily life, what you said is quite racist and sexist given the context. I guess after this I don’t really see why I should keep barking up your tree to see if you consider Palestinians like me to be human beings… you clearly say you will but you never walk the walk just like with women and black people. 🙂

        EDIT: even the women sufrage movement agrees with me, and without this argument wonen would not vote today in America:

        Wilson ignored the protests for six months, but on June 20, 1917, as a Russian delegation drove up to the White House, suffragists unfurled a banner which stated: “We women of America tell you that America is not a democracy. Twenty million women are denied the right to vote. President Wilson is the chief opponent of their national enfranchisement”. [295] Another banner on August 14, 1917, referred to “Kaiser Wilson” and compared the plight of the German people with that of American women. With this manner of protest, the women were subject to arrests and many were jailed. Another ongoing tactic of the National Woman’s Party was watchfires, which involved burning copies of President Wilson’s speeches, often outside the White House or in the nearby Lafayette Park. The Party continued to hold watchfires even as the war began, drawing criticism from the public and even other suffrage groups for being unpatriotic.[296] On October 17, Alice Paul was sentenced to seven months and on October 30 began a hunger strike, but after a few days prison authorities began to force feed her.[295] After years of opposition, Wilson changed his position in 1918 to advocate women’s suffrage as a war measure.[297] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women’s_suffrage)

        And don’t get emotional with me, I didn’t make up all of political science.

        And you dare gaslight me! Wow!

        Democracy is when PEOPLE have the POWER via voting… not *WHITE PEOPLE AND MEN.

        Wherever people are practicing democracy, no matter how dim the flame may look to you, it is much brighter than the total darkness of mysticism and fear that governed all societies for most of world history.

        What the fuck would that mean to me as a women if I wasn’t allowed to vote in this system!??!?!?

        As I’ve said I appreciate you and your entire perspective on this and mine is obviously different.

        I don’t appreciate you anymore after this…

        And that’s fine until they start crossing borders to kill civilians and talking about having their own country.

        YOU MEAN LIKE ISRAEL IS DOING NOW TO GAZA? LOL*

        Wherever people are practicing democracy, no matter how dim the flame may look to you, it is much brighter than the total darkness of mysticism and fear that governed all societies for most of world history.

        Wherever people are practicing democracy, no matter how dim the flame may look to you, it is much brighter than the total darkness of mysticism and fear that governed all societies for most of world history.

        It’s people like you who guard the faulty system as it is with this bullshit, @JustZ@lemmy.world. Oh it’s much brigther than the darkness, you see!! that’s why it was still a democracy even if half the population was not considered WORTHY enough to vote, and a large chunk were just slaves okay? But the flame don’t die, okay??.

        Lol, lose me with this BS would you?

          • ???@lemmy.world
            11·
            9 months ago

            Right, you can say whatever you want, we will let the readers judge whether this is emotional nonsense or weather you are just biased and don’t realize how much you dehumanize Palestinians.