• Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Lol, the last continent I’d want to move to is Europe.

      You have some of the fastest aging societies in the world. Your energy is imported from unstable regions that require the intervention of the US to keep them flowing. None of your nations have the ability to project power at scale. Some of your largest companies like BASF are shuttering entire divisions in Europe because they are no longer competitive. The IT start up environment in Europe is a joke.

      But please tell me more about MAGA, healthcare, school shootings, expensive college tuition and how big our trucks are.

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        9 months ago

        Laughs in paid sick leave, parental leave and other employment rights instead then?

        And food standards.

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        9 months ago

        You pointing out some of the worst thing about the US does not prevent us to bring it up or invalidate the argument.

        Because we are right in doing so…

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          9 months ago

          Correct, but compared to the deep seated systemic issues that Europe has, ours are pretty fixable.

          You can’t de-age a population and you can’t fix your energy dependence overnight.

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        9 months ago

        Europe has fast ageing societies because our people live long and prosperous lives.

        The only reason we get energy from unstable regions is because the US makes them unstable for their own profit.

        The EU has been projecting power towards plenty of international companies to force them to do whatever we deem necessary, all in favour of the consumer. And they are abiding, because of the EU’s power.

        The EU is proof the world does not need big companies. So I don’t know why you are licking their boots as if they were a good thing. We need less big companies, not more.

        In the EU you need a coherent start up plan before you are let loose on the market. None of this fuelled by hopes and dreams. Our start ups may be fewer, but they are more robust.

        And I will tell you more about how you have an entire political party about to elect a dictator. How your elite have brainwashed tons of you into thinking you don’t need to be healthy or have the power of a union. How school shootings are normalised and how bad you guys don’t want educated people. But sure, keep destroying the planet. It is not like we all live there.

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          9 months ago

          Europe has fast ageing societies because our people live long and prosperous lives.

          People living long & prosperous lives and having a young & growing population are not mutually exclusive. You can do both.

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          9 months ago

          Yeah the US made Russia unstable…you’re just making things up and I’m an idiot for even replying to you.

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            9 months ago

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_therapy_(economics)?wprov=sfla1

            With the exception of Belarus, the Eastern European states adopted shock therapy. Nearly all of these post-Soviet states suffered deep and prolonged recessions after shock therapy, with poverty increasing more than tenfold. The resulting crisis of the 1990s was twice as intense as the Great Depression in the countries of Western Europe and the United States in the 1930s. The hypothesized one time jump in prices intended as part of shock therapy actually led to a lengthy period of extremely high inflation with a drop in output and subsequent low growth rates.  Shock therapy devalued the modest wealth accumulated by individuals under socialism and amounted to a regressive redistribution of wealth in favor of elites who held non-monetary assets.  Contrary to the expectation of shock therapy proponents, Russia’s rapid transition to the market increased corruption, rather than alleviating it.

            The cost to human life was profound, as Russia suffered the worst peace time increase in mortality experienced by any industrialized country.  For the years 1987 and 1988, roughly 2% of Russia population lived in poverty (surviving on less than $4 a day), by 1993-1995, it was 50%. According to Kristen Ghodsee and Mitchell A. Orenstein, a significant body of scholarship demonstrates that the rapid privatization schemes associated with neoliberal economic reforms did result in poorer health outcomes in former Eastern Bloc countries during the transition to capitalism, with the World Health Organization itself stating “IMF economic reform programs are associated with significantly worsened tuberculosis incidence, prevalence, and mortality rates in post-communist Eastern European and former Soviet countries.” They add that Western institutions and economists were indifferent to the consequences of the shock therapy they were advocating as their priorities included permanently dismantling the state socialist system and integrating these countries into the emerging global capitalist economy, and that many citizens of the former Eastern Bloc countries came to believe that Western powers were deliberately inflicting this suffering upon them as punishment for defying Western ideals about liberal democracy and market economics.

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          9 months ago

          Man, you must be hitting some of that premium copium that tankies love so much. Every sentence in that post is a lie.

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            9 months ago

            When you claim something is a lie, I know it must be the truth.

            Thank you for confirmation.

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        7 months ago

        None of your nations have the ability to project power at scale.

        Why is that important to literally anything apart from international penis measuring competitions?