today’s (later than planned) upgrade to lemmy 0.19.2 provisionally appears to have gone alright. if you see excessive amounts of jank (and your page footer can’t decide what version of lemmy it’s running on, IE it shows separate FE and BE versions), clear your browser cache and cookies since lemmy doesn’t seem to do that cleanly on its own

next up I’m planning to deploy the Proton frontend as an alternative to the default and I’m also going to start pushing code to codeberg (most likely) so stay tuned for that

  • bitofhope@awful.systemsEnglish
    6·
    11 months ago

    In today’s episode of awful systems I found outt my phone’s browser can’t manage individual site cookies. Deleting them is an all-or-nothing deal.

    Tfw the mono no aware hits you when you have to log out of everything just to make fun of techbros.

    • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
      5·
      11 months ago

      christ I’m sorry. my phone probably needs the same — the mother fucking cache-control immutable header some lemmy dev decided to hardcode into lemmy-ui’s app server seems to have triggered a bug in my phone where I’m both logged in and not simultaneously, and switching tab groups logs me out until I open a new tab

      since all this unpleasantness is due to a bad cache-control header, hopefully it should all clear up when caches expire and pull in the new version of the site and corrected cache settings… in like 20 hours. fuck

        • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
          5·
          11 months ago

          oh yeah! it’s been causing a ridiculous number of problems for our instance and others (I thought beehaw was down for a long time but I’m realizing it was this cache issue) and basically makes upgrading to a backend that isn’t completely compatible with the previous backend impossible to do cleanly. and yet, I think I might have been the only one who’s discovered this issue, judging by the lack of relevant GitHub issues or other chatter about it.

          as for why some lemmy dev chose immutable, all I can figure is they saw that rust is immutable (and I like rust a lot, but these are not good rust devs) and figured that meant immutability is a good thing everywhere regardless of the actual implementation. or maybe Google’s SEO tools insisted they needed it, and they didn’t read on or understand the versioned path requirement for cache busting? you’d think the devs of a federated platform would focus on literally anything other than SEO, but none of these folks had a plan.

          anyway… only 7 hours remain until everyone’s browser hopefully marks the old content stale

          • bitofhope@awful.systemsEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            I saw a few closed issues relating to cache control stuff. They’ve fixed some bugs related to it and also saw at least one where more aggressive cache control was implemented to improve performance.

            • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
              3·
              11 months ago

              oh hey speak of the devil https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2325 so this isn’t even purely a cache issue, somehow they also broke upgrading credentials between lemmy versions and nobody noticed

              fucking brilliant. I might see if I can push a new version of the error page that doesn’t lie about what’s wrong now that caching hopefully isn’t busted

          • sunaurus@lemm.eeEnglish
            13·
            11 months ago

            Lemmy-ui immutable static files have a cache busting hash in their path:

            On awful.systems, I see you have replaced this hash with an undefined:

            By the way, clean upgrades are completely possible if you know what you’re doing. I frequently roll out new upgrades on lemm.ee without any downtime (so some servers running 0.19.1, some running 0.19.2 for example).

            • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
              3·
              11 months ago

              By the way, clean upgrades are completely possible if you know what you’re doing.

              oh do tell

                • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
                  3·
                  11 months ago

                  no thx but while we’re here

                  the reason why the cache busting broke is because I’m building for an immutable environment (NixOS sans docker) and my builds don’t have .git cause it’s a source of mutability. lemmy’s cache busting utterly breaks without git but it still incorrectly marks the files as immutable, breaking a ton of users. utterly broken behavior.

                  but the very funny part is the cache behavior isn’t even the bug that’s breaking everything right now. that’s this bug: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2325 which you didn’t mention as a factor while you were trying your best to sound smart

                  also, have you ever gotten banned from an instance for being a shithead reply guy before? I’m betting this ain’t the first time

      • bitofhope@awful.systemsEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        Haha wow, now it’s hitting me with the same thing I think. Keeps logging me out randomly and putting me in a state of Schrödinger’s session cookie.

        All hail the jank!

        Edit: seems to happen if I refresh the page.

        • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
          3·
          11 months ago

          yep, exactly what I’m seeing except it stops when I open awful.systems in a new tab, but happens again if I switch tab groups. I don’t know how they managed this

      • bitofhope@awful.systemsEnglish
        3·
        11 months ago

        Only two hard problems in CS: cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors. But especially cache invalidation and especially especially when you make it even harder lol.

  • sue_me_please@awful.systemsEnglish
    5·
    11 months ago

    Not sure if this is related, but any time I try to upvote or downvote a comment, I get this error:

    Error: invalid_bot_action
    • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
      3·
      11 months ago

      huh, I’ve never seen that before. let me look into this new jank (maybe your account somehow got marked as a bot account?)

      • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        fucking waaaaait is that why there’s a B next to your name? check your profile page and see if the “user is a bot” checkbox is enabled

  • Sailor Sega Saturn@awful.systemsEnglish
    5·
    11 months ago

    I have used my immense technical skills nurtured over the course of decades to bypass the error page.

    I am pleased to report that I have successfully cleared my cookies.

  • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
    4·
    11 months ago

    I’ve deployed a fix for the JWT bug that’s been breaking all our users, as well as the broken cache behavior. special thanks to the lemm.ee infrastructure admin/professional software developer/lemmy contributor below who bravely sacrificed their posting privileges by pointing out the source of the cache problem in the most jackass way possible and then insisting on a solution that doesn’t work for our instance

    there’s one remaining lemmy-ui bug on my end I haven’t been able to track down, and that’s the weird half-logged-in session thing where depending on how you interact with the page, your session might disappear. that one stumps me to be honest; I’m going to try and debug with dev tools later, since currently it’s only happening in Safari on my phone.

  • Phil@awful.systemsEnglish
    4·
    11 months ago

    I’m impressed by the way some threads now have “-2” new comments. How does that work?

    • sc_griffith@awful.systemsEnglish
      3·
      11 months ago

      checked the patch notes and that part is intentional. there was apparently bad 2fa UI before, which got people locked out, the reset is intended to rescue their accounts

  • carlitoscohones@awful.systemsEnglish
    4·
    11 months ago

    Sharing just in case anyone else needs to see it - Safari on Mac gave me all of those login / logout things, and would not show any posts at all, just an error screen. I couldn’t even see this note to know what the problem was, even when refreshing. I went to a clean Firefox browser, saw this, cleared Safari history and all is well.

    Mac / OSX Sonoma.

  • David Gerard@awful.systemsEnglish
    3·
    11 months ago

    this is wild, i can successfully log in and everything is fine in a chromium incognito window but not in a normal window even after clearing cookies and cache

    EDIT: chrome://settings/content/all shows the cookie and I can delete it

    firefox works after i just clear the cache

    MOBILE SUGGESTION: if you have android, why aren’t you using firefox with ublock origin already

    lemmy on urbit on windows

  • earthquake@lemm.eeEnglish
    3·
    11 months ago

    I humbly ask that you do not update the UI from 0.18.4, because pagination of comments is disabled? broken? with this update.

    Alternatively, if you did update to 0.19.2 FE, and I still see the old functionality because of my cache+cookies, then the jank is even more powerful than I imagined.

    • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
      4·
      11 months ago

      the jank is extremely powerful, and it sounds like you’re running a mix of 0.18.4’s libraries and 0.19.2’s html and css right now. see elsewhere in this thread for the extremely drunk programming mistake some lemmy dev made that causes this

      clearing your browser cache and cookies should get you a fully working lemmy UI, I hope (maybe try lemmy.ml first to see if pagination is working as expected on your end; they should be on the same version as us)

      • earthquake@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        11 months ago

        Nope, cleared cache and cookies for lemm.ee and the pagination for comments is still not working. Must be a bug with lemmy, pagination for posts works fine.

        • self@awful.systemsOPMEnglish
          3·
          11 months ago

          hmmm crap, I’ll keep an eye out for a hotfix. in the meantime, Proton might be a good option once it’s deployed if you don’t mind how it looks

          • earthquake@lemm.eeEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            Proton

            Thanks for suggesting alternative frontends, proton doesn’t have what I wanted, but alexandrite does, and does it better than lemmy-ui.

  • froztbyte@awful.systemsEnglish
    3·
    11 months ago

    Just in case anyone else runs into it: looks like this issue also completely wedged my install of Mlem - had to nuke the app from phone and reinstall, its sign-in procedure didn’t cope with this failure mode and it had no way to forget about account without also wanting to remotely delete an account (which I figure probably would’ve failed because no auth token, but I didn’t chance it)

    I’ll log a bug their side when I have some headspace to write it up