Surely it would place a massive asterisk on all the trophies won during his time at Man City? In future discussions on the greatest manager would this be a talking point which stains our perception on him? Or will he still be lauded as the greatest by some despite the wider context?

  • kwakwaktok@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    It would make all his achievements at city null and void. If you can’t win within the rules, you are effectively a cheat.

  • Iwantedalbino@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Personally I wouldn’t give a poop. I assume they are guilty already but to pull that team together and not have them bicker and fight and fall out is an incredible job of man management. Just look at the money Utd have spent to realise how hard it still is to beat everyone else.

  • Any_Witness_1000@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    We all knew they were cheating even before he got there and he was part of various scandals, being it with referees, corruption, players, shady deals and so on, even from his time at Barcelona and even form his time as a player.

    I never considered him the best manager. He is the one willing to do anything it takes and to make his hands dirty, yes.

    • Repulsive_Rent_5636@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Agree. He would never take on a lower half PL team, because he would be found out. They can’t afford the bribes and rule breaking to secure success.

      • haziola@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        No, it’s because he’s way too good for any of them. He’s even way too good for ol’ Yanited, who have a shite Pep wannabee rn. Do you also cry that Messi and Ronaldo are frauds because they only played for the biggest richest clubs and that they would be found out at a smaller club?

    • triggerhappy5@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Tbf, Fergie was the exact same way and he’s also often included in the conversation. Who do you consider the best? José?

  • Kaiisim@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Hes not the one who cheated, he is part of the cheating.

    Pep is one of the best managers in the world. Thats why man city need to cheat the money so they can afford the best.

    Its like haaland. He still scored all those goals, even if the finances used to build the team were unfair.

    • Spins13@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Still strange that he always ends up with clubs cheating and all his players diving

      Barcelona was buying referees and had a strong relationship with Dr Fuentes when he was there

  • Destraint@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    I remember him saying when all this was starting that he would leave if he thought they were cheating. It’s been obvious since they did cheat and it was only on technicalities they got away the first time. So his legacy regarding his honor, integrity is tainted for sure. Same with players.

    • WhiskeyVendetta@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I just hacked your pc and it says your a nonce, police will be round in 15 mins to take you away.

      If “obvious” is hacked evidence with no verification then you need to be ready to accept that standard across the board.

      Let the process take place and then it will be obvious because if it was obvious this wouldn’t take over 3 years to sort out.

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    • Chalkun@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      100%

      My opinion on that statement has always been that he’s being a snake. He knows they cheated, but by saying that he thinks he can jump ship if they’re found guilty and pretend its because he has integrity.

    • PuzzleheadedGrade116@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I think his words were if they lied to me (the owners) he would leave. I think the owners have told him they cheated and he worded it like that on purpose

    • as1992@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      “Obvious they did cheat?”

      Do you know something about this case that the general population is not privy to?

  • tropicanadef@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    There’s no denying his quality as a coach. It would certainly taint his Man City career though.

  • margieler@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    I am biased but why would this taint anything?
    The club have been questioned, not the manager or the players.

    The manager and players still did everything they did last season, regardless of the money within the club. It has nothing to do with the individual achievements but the achievements of the club.

  • milkonyourmustache@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    It would void everything that was achieved during the relevant periods. Financial doping is what it is, doping. If you cheated to win in a sport, you didn’t win, and you may as well have not played at all.

  • gabagoolforever@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Great manager for sure, but I’ve always found the notion that he’s in the same bracket as the all time greats kind of odd. He might end his career winning more trophies than Ferguson did, but he’s not on that level.

  • Similar_thought123@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Not at all.

    He didnt actively cheat. He just worked with what he got and what the board gave him. His tactical skills arent in question and his job isnt to question the owner and how they do stuff.

    Exactly like the players. De Bruyne achieved everything with skill and not because he bribed the ref or cheat in any other way. He and his agents made a deal with the board. How they pay him isnt his concern.

    • Jip_Jaap_Stam@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      We don’t know whether De Bruyne and Guardiola would even be at City if it weren’t for the cheating. If they’d stayed within the rules, they might not have won the FA in 2011, or the league in 2012 and 2014. Their pull would’ve been seriously diminished, meaning big names like Aguero and Silva could’ve turned them down. They may not have qualified for the Champions League as consistently, further impacting their ability to attract top talent.

      • No-Clue1153@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        We don’t know whether De Bruyne and Guardiola would even be at City if it weren’t for the cheating.

        Lol we absolutely do know: they definitely wouldn’t.

  • ___HeyGFY___@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    In theory, it would depend on whether or not it can be proven that he was aware of and/or responsible for any of the violations.

    In reality, it will be guilt by association. His ardent supporters will claim innocence, and his detractors will claim he should have known enough to stop it.