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Short term reliability doesn’t account for much.
Toyota
VW cars have been unreliable since the late 1990’s…
No they were unreliable before that.
Honestly for the most part it’s down to individual models.
Consumer Reports is bought and paid for. Aside from Toyota and Honda and their affiliated luxury brands, I am not putting any weight in this list. When your company is being served with an enormous class action lawsuit for engines burning oil in massive quantities over several years and multiple models, and you’re in the top half of this list…seems inaccurate.
Honestly surprised to see Mini slot in under Lexus/Toyota. I would never have pegged a Mini as being a reliable car.
BMW / MIni improved a lot, underrated bc of their bad past.
It defiantly isn’t. Ask me how I know.
Its not. Consumer reports has issues with self reporting. They rely on paying subscription model and for those limited members to self report.
A mini has never had a reliable track record and every perosn that owned one before. All have sworn them off.
I previously owned a Mini for 3 years and I will own another. So, there goes that.
Their current lineup basically shares one engine and transmission in North America. The B38 has been in use in both the current gen Minis along with BMW for nearly a decade now, and it’s proven to be pretty reliable over that stretch. You’ve got a vehicle lineup consisting of only two models that are both nearly 9 years old, sharing the same engine and transmissions that have proven to be reliable over a long period of time now. It shouldn’t be a surprise that they’re high up on the reliability scale at the moment.
They rely on paying subscription model and for those limited members to self report.
Yes, and?
The kind of person who is subscribed to a magazine purely about reviewing the long term reliability of products is exactly the kind of person you want reporting on trouble spots for those products. They’ll be thorough. And according to Consumer Reports, they receive over 300,000 reports from subscribers on cars yearly, which is honestly a pretty solid sample size.
I owned a 2006 Mini Cooper S, and yes it was a total piece of shit reliability-wise. You want to know which magazine reported that it was a piece of shit? Consumer Reports. Want to know when Mini’s reliability ratings started to consistently reach the top 10 on the chart? 2015. They switched to the B38 in 2014 and haven’t updated it since. It all tracks.
A buddy last night said he needed to remove 12 things just to access the battery on a Cooper
That’s not really related to reliability
They’re significantly better now that they’ve switched to BMW engines.
“All have sworn off them”
Peak reddit hivemind parroting. Ever owned one? Ever even driven one?
I’ve owned two, and tracked one. No issues. I’d buy another again
Why is Mitsubishi not in the list?
Land Rover am I a joke to you?
Consumer reports scores vehicles based on the number of problems per 100 cars reported to them by their subscribers. If they don’t have enough reviews sent in to make a reliable data set, they don’t publish a score.
Land Rover is very niche in North America, and the kind of people who buy them have the money not to worry about reliability anyways.
For what it’s worth, Land Rover has traditionally done VERY poorly in years past when they have had enough reports on them to publish a result.
Land Rover has the lowest new-to-new loyalty of any manufacturer pretty consistently. This should be an excellent proxy for how reliable their cars are.
Would be nice to see a list separating EV from ICE. I know the Kia EV6 got a 91 or 92 reliability score.
Alfa Romeo make the most reliably fun cars
Mini? how the hell did that happen
This doesn’t fit the narratives:
- Honda lost their ways
- Mazda eclipsing Toyota
- Hyundai killing it
If you look at the model breakdowns, Honda’s score is really really really propped up by just the HRV and non-hybrid CRV.
I’m sure the overall score is weighted according to all responses instead of by model, but enthusiast perception is usually average across all models not weighted by model popularity, because enthusiasts usually buy the niche performance vehicles instead of the barebones cheapest model that gets the high score and heavy weighting.
So if we did a average of average model scores:
Toyota would have 70 instead of 76.
Lexus would have 70 instead of 79.
Mazda would have 69 instead of 67.
Acura would have 62 instead of 70.
Honda would have 60 instead of 70.
Hyundai would still have a score of 56.
Which matches the narrative of the subreddit pretty exactly.
It is known that Hyundai still isn’t super reliable. Their generous warranty is what has propelled them forward, along with their styling change.
Hyundai is junk garbage they literally give you the car with a lifetime drivetrain warranty
Predicted Reliability reports are just silly in general. How do you judge reliability on something that hasn’t been out long enough to even see the reliability?
I bet you go back 5 years and look at these reports and see if they are accurate and they are probably way off.
Kia and Hyundai make junk. At least they make some good looking junk. But the drivetrains have proven to be unreliable with constant recalls and blown engines.
Ehhh, the fit and finish of Hyundai is far better than Honda
Was not aware rattling was an issue in Hondas, I only have anecdotal evidence that’s not the case, has there been any data on this?
Everything built by Mazda has always been solid as a rock as long as it didn’t have a rotary engine. The unreliable Mazda were poisoned by Ford.
Also subaru in #6. A lot of you guys on this sub act like they are total shit because of a problem they had 12+ years ago
My new Accord has been just as much of a tank as my 09 Civic was lmao
Why do you get downvoted lmao, maybe cause it’s only been 5 months but still
fuck if i know, im not wasting anymore of my brain’s energy today to figure out why
Those aren’t narratives – those viewpoints were based on factual trends.
Honda lost their ways
Last few years, Honda has been fluttering on the edge of top-5 – either way outside it thanks to the 1.5T problems or right at #5. This is a pretty big drop from being #1 or #2 for a long time. Again, they’re stuck at #5.
Mazda eclipsing Toyota
Mazda was ahead in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022. Toyota finally climbed back in 2023 and now “2024” (this is the latest ranking).
Hyundai killing it
If you’ve spent time here, you’ve clearly seen the opposite of those sentiments.
What’s behind the trend? Honda/Toyota’s CR ratings dipped (presumably) because of major redesigns/new releases. Mazda, barring from the I6 and SkyActivX, has been using the same 2.0, 2.5, 2.5T + 6sp for how many years? Why the drop-off in CR ratings now?
Honda is effectively 3rd because the top 5 is basically only 3 brands. They are still one of the most reliable cars you can buy.
They’re going back up because the 1.5T oil issues have been fixed.
What do you think made Toyota fall off for those 5 years?
Last year the tundra decimated things with like a 66. Every other model was like 80s
Look at the Mazda cx90 and you will see there is tones of engine malfunction there. I know this is an all new model. But it is hurting its reliability score for sure
Mazda has been solid since the Skyactive-G engines came out and separated themselves from Ford
Hyundai is killing it in the design department… offering a great lineup of cars with good features at attractive pricing… but this doesn’t really relate to reliability.
Only reason people rag on Honda is because of some V6 and transmission issues, which were exaggerated and overblown, along with they them not having a “dedicated” RWD sports car anymore like a S2000 as if FWD sport-ish economy cars weren’t their main enthusiast attraction since their inception.
It’s because their rwd cars were so good that we want more of them.
Based on the Mercedes subreddits and forums, it’s not shocking to see them at the bottom of the list.
I went to the dealership and sat in every console just to see if I could move the center console
It’s awful. My EQs has been in the shop for 28 days so far, so close to being lemoned.
MB new reliability is nonexistent at this point!
It’s sad to see what’s come of them as a brand. There used to be that point of time when MB legitimately lived up to their name of offering the beyond the BEST or nothing.
For the record, our '19 MY GLC300 is doing well at nearly 60k miles. It’s not as big a benchmark or something to write home about, but it’s been doing well. I believe that the X253 chassis GLC (2015-2022) got more solid later in its production run, and the X254 (2023-onward) is still relatively new but way more complicated with the digital everything interior and more of everything, in my opinion.
with MB you really have to do research on which engines you’re buying and how long into the development cycle it is. Every year MB has some models that are great but a lot of other models are really bad. You just have to buy the right one.
It’s year after year also. It’s not just some unlucky sample data. Year after year they are consistently lower than rank 20.
Plenty of taxi drivers use Mercedes and they last for years of taxi abuse. CR isn’t accurate
Those vehicles get regular maintainace though.
They are getting worse and worse over the years. I used to like the designs, now they don’t really have any redeeming qualities to me. Garbage brand that took down a good era of American Car Development (90’s Chrysler).
Got a used one a few years ago with 60k miles. Battery issues, electronic issues, gear shift issues, faux leather tearing/melting in the sun. Not something I would get again.
They’ve been garbage since 2007ish. Golden era was 1970’s-2004ish
Quality is fine otherwise taxi drivers wouldn’t use them
Don’t sleep on the 2009-2015 era cars. the 6 Cyls on the W212 are pretty bullet proof.
Can confirm. My W204 is a tank
I had the turbo 4 version of the W204 ‘12 MY. It was not a tank and developed engine porosity at 100k miles. I guess the 6 cylinders were better.
That I humbly disagree with. The W211 (2003-2009) was when QC started to pick back up, and the W212 (2010-2015.5) was as good as the W211 and only built up on the 211’s excellence. The W212 was and still is as solid and stout of a luxury mid-sized saloon as they came. The W213 isn’t bad, as it was still decent, but the W212 was the cream of the crop for modern E classes. There was a moment when MB started emphasizing quality again (the period being 2010-2019~ish), though they have gone back to cost-cutting and overcomplicating for the sake of modernizing.
r/amg is wild, new C43s going straight to shit right off the dealer’s lot.
That’s the main car that I’m referring to. The W206 C Class and new GLC seem to be the worst offenders!
Seems more like a joke to me, absolute nonsense.
My 67,000 mile GLC had its engine blow. No compression in cylinder 1.
15,000 repair… fuck Mercedes
Cracked piston issue?
Having a hard time believing Mini is 3rd. There has to be a correlation to unit sales vs issues returned in the 330,000 surveyed. There’s only been 673,747 units sold of Mini’s (All Models) in the year window that CR reports on in the US.
For reference JUST the Toyota Camry sold 2x that much from 2005-2007 as a one model in Toyota’s line-up.
There’s 0 chance Mini is 3rd in reliability. I’d argue they are likely below-mid range.
They have been close to the top in ALL other reliability rankings too for a few years in a row now , it is proven to be true by now.
Chrysler. We make one car and we are the absolutely worst at it.
Don’t worry, Chrysler would’ve more cars again, their French families would offer the cars for them.
However, the brand still probably wouldn’t get better reliability score but better than just only selling one car.
Test drove the the Pacifica and the Oddessy, bought the Pacifica, the Oddessy, even the top of the line one, felt and looked cheap. We’ve had the Pacifica for a year and I love it
My wife got a Pacifica as a rental a few months ago after she got rear ended. That thing was actually pretty nice, had a lot of good features and was really comfortable. Although we didn’t have to maintain it but I was actually surprised at how nice it was
There’s a reason it’s stuck around. I’m actually surprised by the reliability ranking. They’ve been making that 3.6L/9-speed combo forever and has a good reputation in other vehicles.
Yeah it’s weird because CR basically says it has average reliability
We expect the 2024 Pacifica will have about average reliability when compared to the average new car. This prediction is based on data from 2021, 2022, and 2023 models, plus the Chrysler brand scores.
And the 3.6L/845RE(ZF8) before that.
The 9 speed is shitty and Honda stopped using it anywhere possible and fixed the software better than Chrysler ever has. I still love my van but it shifts so hard it feels like I get rear ended at least once a month.
We just had one as a rental and it was surprisingly nice. I mean it was a minivan, so tempered expectations, but it worked for hauling 6 people around in comfort. Funny to say too but I have never seen so many Pacificas as I did in Florida.
The Pacifica hybrid ain’t to bad, I drive one at work occasionally to deliver stuff and it honestly is kinda nice
It’s a pretty cool car tho, hybrid, tech loaded, nice to drive
Which is a shame. The Pacifica has the best feature set of any minivan available. The middle row stow and go is amazing. Infotainment is top notch.
The pre 2018 transmission is a hot mess, though. We have to do an ECU reset every few weeks or the shifting because very jarring
Well… they aren’t wrong… Our brand new Pacifica has already been in the shop twice and has less than 1400 miles.
For what?
Wonder if Mini is due to the demographic that buys them
It’s due to only having two models that share a drivetrain that’s proven to be genuinely reliable for nearly ten years now. The B38 is a solid engine, and both the Cooper and Countryman have remained the same mechanically since 2014. Mini has been in CR’s top ten most reliable brands since 2015, and with nearly 10 years to iron out all the smaller problems and no problem models to knock their average score down, being #3 actually makes sense.