• kcarmstrong@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    This is misinformation. Why combine all types of hybrids with EVs. It’s a fact that EVs are piling up on dealer lots. They can’t move them.

    Hybrids on the other hand are still trading like hotcakes. Go try to buy a RAV4 Hybrid right now. Spoiler: you can’t.

    It turns out that Toyota was right all along and hybrids are the correct answer at the present time. Most people don’t need more than 50-100 miles of range on their electric motor. You get that with a hybrid and then have the gas option for long road trips. It’s truly the perfect solution. And it’s also the most environmentally friendly option as Toyota has said they can produce 8 hybrid units for the same amount of battery materials as 1 BRZ4XG&.

    Toyota was right.

    • HighClassProletariat@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      EVs piling up on dealer lots is technically correct but conveniently misleading. Tesla, who still sells roughly 50% of EVs in the US, and who have the most compelling value in the EV space due to their pricing, range, and charging infrastructure, doesn’t have dealerships. There is still plenty of EV demand, just not for shitty EVs and especially shitty EVs that dealerships put markups on.

      I won’t argue the merit of hybrids with you (they are great), but the “EVs piling up on dealer lots = no demand” trope is logically incorrect.

      • Ok-Condition-8973@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        As consumers become more informed and the true lifetime costs of BEVs becomes more known, more and more people will choose to go with HEVs for their preference and vehicles of choice.

        BEV mania was a wrong turn for humanity. People didn’t do due diligence.

        Internal Combustion lifted mankind from poverty and isolation. It doesn’t deserve to be shamed by any combination of plug fetishists or rare earth mineral gluttons or 3rd world plunderers or toxic battery waste producing miscreants or greedy charlatans.

        With Hybrid tech, IC has gotten way way better. Now about those coal plants…

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      10 months ago

      Toyota was right all along about HEV. HEV is actually better than PHEV. HEV is significantly lighter, cheaper, and more efficient than PHEV. Toyota _made_ a PHEV, but the HEV version is better. Estimations of PHEV tend not to account for enough factors. The Pruis (HEV) - Prius Prime (PHEV) comparison is an ideal example.

      In an metaphor: Requiring yourself to sustain a ritual of plugging in your car to make up for having to lug around a big fat 364 lb ghost sitting in the back seat of your car for the lifetime of the vehicle, even when you’re running on gas and even when you’re running on electric.

      Kindof a funny metaphor, right?

    • Vandrel@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Did you bother to open the link? There’s nothing misleading, they give data for hybrids and EVs and they’re almost exactly the same percentage.

    • ComplexNo8878@alien.topOPB
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      10 months ago

      It’s a fact that EVs are piling up on dealer lots.

      the ones from lazy OEM’s that are $80k+ for only 200 miles of range, definitely.