Any regular lurkers here will probably know that the general sentiment in this sub towards PCCB and center lock wheel is pretty negative as they are seen as nothing more than a marketing ploy from Porsche with no real benefits and is a pretty stupid options to choose.
Like, if you prefer lug nuts and steel brakes for whatever reason then you do you really. It’s your car. But when you start calling people stupid for choosing Ceramic Brakes and Center Lock rims then you are just being a hypocrite and an ass.
People keep saying that there are no real benefits of Ceramic Brakes and Center Lock wheel on and off tracks, and in fact makes it harder for maintenances. That might be true. But you know what? Some people don’t care about those things. They just want what looks cool to them. And when you think about it, there really is no real reason why anyone need to buy a sportscar in the first place. It’s a bad financial decision. Encouraging risky and illegal behaviour. It’s also pretty bad for environment. Also annoys your neighbour.
But we get them anyway because we like them and that’s all there is to it. Same goes for whatever options people choose on their car. So it’s really hypocritical when people here try to tell others why they are not supposed to like ceramic brakes and centerlock wheels. Just make ya’ll seems like an angry vocal reddit car nerds with strong opinion honestly.
So yeah, tone down with the echochamber and let people enjoy what they like.
Center lock is just a fastening mechanism.
Ceramics take a bit to “warm up”. I run ceramics with high carbon rotors. They usually squeal a bit in the morning and go away quickly. I can get into a spirited drive where there’s advantages on the brakes, but most people are just “commuters” that think they need something they don’t need.
also in general, carbon brakes prefers a single firm application insted of a lot of gentle taps wich is fine if you are on track but if you are in traffic it gets annoying preatty quickly
Carbon brakes on the road really are useless. So if is for visual appeal, and you can afford the replacement costs of new discs or suffer the depreciation of a car you want to sell but that needs its brakes done, then go nuts.
But if there is any chance you’re going to track the car - even if only occasional tracks days, those ceramic brakes are gonna be 🔥. No fade, lap after lap.
As someone who has experienced brake fade in steel discs on the road it is terrifying.
A lot of this stuff is in the “nice to have” not “need to have basis. CCB’s don’t really come alive until you’re doing HPDE’s in them so they just end up becoming another bling factor people like to show off at cars and coffees.
I love nice stuff as much as the next guy, but we often overrate the heck out of these things.
Let’s be clear here - people are literally coming into these threads specifically ASKING for people’s opinions on options. THAT’S THE POINT. Some folks will have strong opinions on this. If you don’t care, or don’t want to hear it, don’t ask. Some folks lack tact - that’s the world.
Having sold Porsches for over 7 years, and having dealt with all manner of client issues, as well as maintenance costs for them through the years, I’m fairly confident in my recommendations for people.
I don’t hate any options on these cars.
I simply give people realistic advice, and listen to their use scenarios, and make suggestions. I bring up things they may not have thought of, and make sure they understand all the facets of their decisions.
Want ceramics? Great - when it’s time to swap, be ready to pay. Want steelies? Great - you’ll be swapping brakes 5 times as often, but for far less each time.
Want a center lock? Cool - you’ll likely not be able to get reliable tire service anywhere but a Porsche store. Yes, the socket is in the car, but if you fuck up putting it on, it will cost you. Want lug nuts? Cool - you, and anyone else, can swap wheels and tires, and a road trip may not be interrupted at all.
At the end of the day, I’ll simply say what I told my hundreds of clients:
“Don’t worry about the next owner, and what options you think they might want. Get the car YOU want, and enjoy it.”
Well I got steels and center locks.
And I couldn’t give two shits what anyone else thinks.
Also wish I had PCCB simply for less brake dust.
Yep absolutely no brake dust!
CCB present: “OMG look at this idiot, he bought the CCBs! What a waste!”
CCB not present: “OMG do you not care about resale? No buyer is going to want steel brakes on a $250k car”
Usually CCB rotors come with bigger calipers so it’s one less thing to upgrade. Just swap the rotors and pads.
those people are just delusional. You can go round and round with that argument until it gets the point of ‘nobody needs anything more than a civic on the street’. I got ceramics on my gt3 because personally i think chalk with yellow calipers and seat belts looks better than chalk with red ones. the lack of brake dust is an added bonus
Lack of brake dust is a huge bonus.
With all the rim theft going on around the country center locks is also a plus 😂. Doubt criminals are riding around with a center lock tool
PCCB’S, center lock wheels, and a manual transmission = literally unstealable car.
😂😂
I got ceramics on my gt3
you also have a gt3, wich i imagine you’d be using on track from time to time were they are actually usefull
if i tracked i would do what most owners do and swap to iron discs as its cheaper to run.
this has to be the most backward reasoning i’ve ever heard but ok
Well said
Now do this again with manual/PDK.
Manual is fun until you actually have to drive it like a responsible adult.
You’re totally right. Manuals do force you to have more fun. Damn them, damn them all to hell!
you want to drive manual on a PDK?
That’s a paddlin’
And for those of us not swapping tires at a track each week, how often do we really need to remove the wheels? For me, it’s somewhere between next to never and never.
Every 5,000 miles? (Tire rotations). Every brake pad change? Every time I’m jacking the car up fiddling around when stuff?
I get some people are afraid of tools, but a lot of us car enthusiasts do work on our vehicles fairly regularly.
tire rotation??? most porsches with pccbs have staggered wheel sizes…
I do all maintenance and repairs myself and I remove my wheels way less than once a year on average (don’t need winter tires). How would you do tire rotations on a car that has different sizes front and rear and performance tires you cant swap left to right?
You running directional tires? I’m not. Michelin 4s are asymmetrical but not directional. Yes I’m aware of Michelin’s ‘staggered warranty’ language on their website, but the tires aren’t stamped directional.
I’d argue that since any Porsche that has center lugs is a sports car, it likely means the front and rear tires are different sizes and a lot of modern tires are one-directional. Meaning I don’t think it’s even possible to rotate tires in that case anyway making it even less often you’d actually be taking them off.
I don’t jack up my car and fiddle with stuff, so no bother to me. And not sure why centerlocks would spark fear for an enthusiast who likes working on their car.
Stagged fitment brother
Everybody knows if you run directional tires the wrong way your car slides around like it’s on ice
Center locks with carbon ceramic’s
Have both on my Turbo S. Clean wheels, fantastic braking and looks cool. Phuck the jealous haters 😂
#metoo 😂
The guys complaining the most about centerlocks being hard to change don’t even realize that spare tires aren’t even in the cars.
For real lol. I saw someone mentioned how it would be difficult to replace your center lock wheel if you get a flat tyre and doesn’t have access to a nearby tyre shop.
Like, how would lug nuts change anything when you don’t even have a spare tyre?
These guys have no idea how center lock wheels work.
As the saying goes… experience is overrated unless you don’t have any. Its not pretty being ignorant
Personally I’d much rather have steel rotors and 5 lug wheels, overall it is just much easier and cleaner and cheaper to deal with on a street car.
PCCBs are sweet though, downright impressive performance.
Heh… yeah… that stuff is brutal. Doesn’t matter how careful you are… it’s gonna get you.
Cleaner as in looks?
I’d just laugh at such sentiments.