I dunno man, these new Porsche models are losing their elegance. I’ve always viewed Porsche cars as elegant things, why is design language heading towards aggressive and edgy these days?
The Taycan is fantastic, and I’d argue the 911 looks as good as it ever has.
It’s really just the Panamera which has always been a bit lost.
Taycan is fine, and so is the 992.1. But the spy photos of the 992.2 show it is going a similar path the current Cayenne and Panamera have taken.
Agree. The blackout out fronts, vents everywhere, gaping grills…the entire portfolio is getting gaudy. The RS models are pushing the line between racecar and pepboys.
They’re realizing RS is more often bought by gaudy rich folks than people who utilize them at the track. Needs to match the Louis belt
I don’t know, maybe I’m too young or something but I think they are absolutely crushing it with their entire lineup. I’m just too poor to enjoy any of it for myself.
Apparently I’m the only one who likes the styling changes, the panameras kyphosis is still ugly, but that won’t be the case with the sport turismo.
Rare modern Porsche design L :/
Ya’ll are so dramatic. It looks fine.
Car makers really make design changes just for the sake of it now ngl. It looked so good before, now it feels odd and generic. If something isn’t broken, don’t fix it
Yuck.
Any non-whale-weight V8 turbo model?
The real news is that a new green shade just dropped: available in “Oak Green Metallic Neo.”
I don’t like it, the sharp lines does not look very “porsche” or “premium performance sedan” to me, gives off same vibes as an audi
“pOrSChE nEEdS tO rEDesiGN thEiR cArS mOrE oFTeN1!!1!1”
Porsche when they redesign their cars:
But all jokes aside what the fuck. Porsche should know how to redesign a car better. Not this ugly thing.
When I found out a Panamera sport turismo—essentially shooting brake—existed, I told my salesman I wanted one.
In second thought, keep those Porsche badges on rear engines, call me when the S5/RS5 avant exists exists
People calling this Panamera ugly is the probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard this year.
The current Turbo S E-Hybrid is now the upcoming Turbo E-Hybrid. Eventually, the top one will return and be 700 hp+ easy
It’s going to happen with the 911 too. We are at an end of the ICE age (no pun intended) so get them before they get electrified either as a hybrid or full electric.
I think I’m gonna end up keeping my 991.2 forever until I die so I can have an ICE car.
This makes me feel like Scrat and the acorn is a non hybrid, big output sports car that I can’t afford just yet.
Well most people can’t even afford a hybrid or electric vehicle, leaving ICE as the only option. These doomsayers need to relax, we’re still at least a decade off from manufacturers stopping ICE production.
Most people can’t afford any new car, so they’re not really a factor in what manufacturers are building.
I wouldn’t worry about it. People have been hailing the end of NA V8s for since at least 2017, which is when reviews for my car first came out. The market wants them, and luxury margins are too good to pass up for any manufacturer.
My brother was supposed to get one of the Panamera Turbo S Sport Turismo but the pandemic really screwed us over on that end. Dealer kept trying to get us to switch us to a GTS Sport Turismo instead because no allocations were coming.
We ended up getting a 2023 AMG GT63 S instead. The week after our car got delivered, we found out that US order books were closed, there’d be no more non-hybrid GT63 S coming and ours was the one of the last allocations for those.
They said 911, at least the best trims like GT3, together with all classic cars, will be totally ice and manual forever thanks to e-fuel (Porsche is investing A LOT of money in them)
I’m personally fine with bottom trims being hybrid and top trims being ICE, plus with the botique rule they can keep ICE for an extra while
I get that some people don’t like change, but non-hybrid ICE should have been dead 10 years ago. Zero downsides to at least a mild hybrid setup, and using crappy stop-start systems is an ugly kludge.
Put a small motor in the transmission to start the engine and improve off the line, but most importantly stop wasting energy with friction brakes.
Mild hybrids are a fine-tuning nightmare for the engineers. Then you have reliability in the content heat-soaking conditions.
Mild-hybrids are good looking on marketing brochures, real-world users barely notice the benefits.
Also, still extra weight
People complain about the modern 992 being to fat at 3300 lbs.
This man wants to throw a battery in there and say it’s got no downside.
Zero downsides to at least a mild hybrid setup, and using crappy stop-start systems is an ugly kludge.
For something like a GT3 RS or GT4 RS? Hybrid is definitely a downside. You want those mechanical, raw, and light, and the downside of the hybrid is absolutely not worth the benefit for a car with that purpose.
For something like a 911 cabriolet? Yeah, hybrid kinda makes sense there.
They have to compete with the new s63e
Between the spy shots of the next Taycan, the Macan EV, and this… I’m glad I bought when I did.
Fine, but they should make some changes OVER the skin. The Panamera is so ugly while also being so derivative of the 911 that it actually made me dislike the 911’s styling.
I still remember the 996 days when Porsche decided to place a little more emphasis on peoples’ opinions and decided to try something new with the 996 chassis 911’s design, and out came the fried-egg headlamps, and everyone moaned and whined. I still thought it was great on its own. For the record, Porsche still could’ve played it safe by staying with the pre-facelift design with little changes, and people still hate it.
For the record, they’re still FAR better than BMW right now…
For the record, they’re still FAR better than BMW right now…
I’m with you there - it’s not even close. Despite my dislike for the current approach at Porsche, if we look at the 911 in isolation, they’ve done an incredible job of iterating and refining the design over 60 years in a way that’s allowed it to always look current while also always being instantly recognizable - it’s an incredible feat, and BMW has never attempted it.
BMW used to make beautiful cars, then boxy cars with a certain charm, now bloated, ugly, overstyled pieces of shit. The F87 M2C 6MT is probably the last good car they’ll ever make - and even it is 500 lbs too heavy.
The 1st was ugly. The 2nd gen was not. This 3rd gen is too aggressive for me.
The first gen was horrific looking!
this one is 2nd gen, just facelifted.
This is the 3rd gen. The 2nd was facelifted in 2020.
I’m pretty sure that this is like a 3rd facelift, same for the Cayenne. Abit like the 718 Boxster is a facelifted 981.2 (that is already facelifted)
It got a new chassis code so it’s the 3rd gen.
So does the 718, yet is the same car as the 981 with a 4 cylinder engine.
If you want to measure how different the car is by a number stamped in a sheet of metal instead of the actually body in the car, feel free to. To me they could even call it Kia Picanto, still looks like it’s using the exact same platform as the 2nd gen.
There are several engineering changes which the article discusses. By every development metric this is a new generation of car.