• reliablesoup@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          Reddit is fully of young, anxious people, some of whom will even grow up to be rich. I honestly think that what we’re witnessing here is exactly what the eggheads refer to as “atomization” and “free-floating anxiety”. Everyone’s so insecure all the time (sometimes, but not always because of material poverty) that they latch on to the first thing they see that passes for a villain.

          (I’m probably doing a bit of that too, right here, right now.)

      • Extension_One_@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        It’s pointless arguing with someone so deeply ingrained with the victim mentality who has already decided all their problems are due to one particular scapegoat.

    • tomatoswoop@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      … no, not at all?

      You think the hikers and right to roam activists, whose main cause involves taking on landowners and opposing the extension of private property rights over public rights of way, represent “rich people with connections”? Lol

      Similarly in the UK’s “slightly commie old nature enjoyers” vs “4x4 owners” battle, which side do you think is the one with more money, lol

      This isn’t a simple “rich & connected” vs “poor and powerless” battle at all really, more a clash of values (between 2 vague coalitions that contain disparate groups themselves, both rich & poor), but even if you did oversimplify it to that, I think it would as a first order approximation be more like the opposite of the way you’re painting it than the way round you have it there. Generally the automotive lobby is the one representing moneyed interests, & for big 4x4 cars (a luxury good & status item for the upper middle class in the UK) even moreso.

    • James_Vowles@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      You took him explaining right to roam laws and turned it into rich people did this?

      Jesus christ.

    • Pseudorealizm@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      I think even the poor would be pretty pissed if you drove through their backyard making a mess of the land they take pride in maintaining.

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              Alone, yes, but not necessarily if they band together in a large group to represent their interests, and traditionally rambler’s associations and other such groups have had strong connections to the labo​ur movement and s​ociali​st poli​tics for exactly that reason in the UK, and have been able to win certain freedoms (whether that’s about protecting ri​ghts of way across land, or about wor​kers rights, the “apes togethe​r strong” thing does actually have a lot of truth to it)

              My granddad, god rest his soul was very active in his local rambler’s association (and they won a fair few battles against land ow​ners, about keeping public rights of way open, and well signposted).

              You’re right that gover​nments don’t really care about or give anything to the com​mon people out of beneficence, that’s why organisi​ng communities and wor​kplaces is so important

    • bindermichi@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      No. Off-roading in general is not legal as long as it‘s not allowed on a particular private property.