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Postal worker strike against a car company… Hmmmmmm.
An informative link, thank you.
Solidarity action (also known as secondary action, a secondary boycott, a solidarity strike, or a sympathy strike) is industrial action by a trade union in support of a strike initiated by workers in a separate corporation, but often the same enterprise, group of companies, or connected firm.
In Australia,Latvia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United States, and the United Kingdom, solidarity action is theoretically illegal, and strikes can only be against the contractual employer.
The term “secondary action” is often used with the intention of distinguishing different types of trade dispute with a worker’s direct contractual employer. Thus, a secondary action is a dispute with the employer’s parent company, its suppliers, financiers, contracting parties, or any other employer in another industry.
A postal strike doesn’t seem to meet any of this criteria.
In the United Kingdom, sympathy strikes were outlawed … repealed … outlawed … The laws outlawing solidarity strikes remain to this day.
It’s a Wikipedia article about the general concept of solidarity action. The postal strike is “industrial action by a trade union in support of a strike initiated by workers in a separate corporation”.
Okay, but it was a link you provided?
In any case, this discussion has taught me that Sweden is very different in ways I’d never realized. I appreciate the education and will view Sweden related news in a different light from now on.
Sweden is as free market as it gets, we dont like the government getting involved in the market.
It’s very clear that our cultural differences will have us continuing to talk past each other. You see this as free market, I see it as mob action against free market.
Then you’ll be wrong per defintion…
Your free market needs government protection, then its not a free market…
Its not that we have different opinions, which we have. Its that you dont underdtand what a free market is. In a true free market the negotiation of the work market happens between the employer and the worker, which is the case for sweden and not for the US (i assume you’re american).
Its not a free market if the governemt deals with the employer in the place of the worker…
And with a real free market strikes/boycotts are a tool that workers can use.
oh wow, looks like there’s a strike after all, wonder what’s going on there.
Maybe Elon can sue them for hurting his feelings. Can he do that in Sweden?
Tesla may have a case here as postal office likely has a legal obligation to deliver mail as a government entity. Tesla may not be able to sue the union but they can sue the government to force delivery of mail by other means.
They don’t have a case for that. Labor laws work very differently in Sweden. Solidarity action like this is constitutionally protected.
The situation here is no different then power utility company workers cutting off power to a religious building they don’t like.
It’s completely different, and your comparison makes me think you don’t know much about the situation or Sweden in general. The postal union is allowed to take solidarity action not because “they don’t like” Tesla but because Tesla has refused to engage in collective bargaining.
PostNord isn’t a government entity nor are their employees government employees. If you’re going to have strong opinions about Swedish Unions it helps to not being entirely ignorant about Sweden and the actors involved.
They can not sue the goverment. Striking employees not delivering mail to tesla is not a break of the contract. It regarded as a force majure event.
Force majeure
In contract law, force majeure is a common clause in contracts which essentially frees both parties from liability or obligation when an extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties, such as a war, strike, riot, crime, epidemic, or sudden legal change prevents one or both parties from fulfilling their obligations under the contract. Explicitly excluded is any event described as an act of God, which covers a separate domain and legally differs, though it is related to contract law. In practice, most force majeure clauses do not entirely excuse a party’s non-performance but suspend it for the duration of the force majeure.
Under international law, it refers to an irresistible force or unforeseen event beyond the control of a state, making it materially impossible to fulfill an international obligation. Accordingly, it is related to the concept of a state of emergency.
Although it does mention “strike”, I’m pretty sure calling your own strike then claiming Force majure was never the intent.
But its not postnord that is calling the strike, its a third party (the union) calling the strike. The employees are taking certain action to support the IF metall strike, the company has really nothing to so with the strike.
This is a twisted logic that would not fly in most legal systems.
yeah, the tesla shills are in denial again. just because it’s not official doesn’t mean it’s not happening. postal workers wouldn’t strike for no reason.
Here for the comments
this is just another attempt by tesla stans to deflect from the real issues. the strike is happening and it’s a big deal, whether they want to admit it or not.