• randint
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    1 month ago

    Gonna be downvoted to hell for this but there’s no way that Taiwan shouldn’t be colored orange.

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          Why do you think it’s simply CPC propaganda, and not a change in conditions as the socialist mainland rises and capitalism everywhere is failing to keep up?

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                Again, everything I’ve said is a summary of the article the .ml user posted, which very definitively concludes that the younger generations are apathetic because of TikTok propaganda from China. I don’t care if you disagree, I didn’t write or share the article.

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                  No it doesn’t. What are you on about? It blames in part “social media”, not TikTok, not propaganda, and not from mainland China. And while the article tries to insinuate a Chinese connection by saying TikTok is 20% owned by a Chinese company, that interpretation ignores your ability to recall that TikTok is a operated by Oracle and other departments of the USA propaganda apparatus. Even when this article was published. The propaganda you’ll find on TikTok is the anti-China kind.

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                  Man, those tiktok kids are based af. Long live the immortal science of dialectial materialism

                  Count capitalism’s days, lib. Sooner or later, the whole world will realize just how effective the CPC is at crushing capitalists.

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          Like all other wars, Taiwan would be a US proxy push to suicide Taiwan. There’s a reason people would be cautious, and as recent as a couple of years ago, 80% of population favoured some version of status quo.

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      Probably would have been 2 years ago. The same with South Korea and the Philippines. But with America weaponizing tariffs against its own allies and causing the blockade of critical energy supply, their populace are waking up to who the real global threat is.

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        They did ask Taiwan. It is listed as a separate entry. Did you read the data?

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            1 month ago

            I read (and re-read) your comment and I’m pretty sure you meant it as they didn’t ask Taiwan.

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              Then you have trouble with comprehensive reading.
              I am not questioning IF but WHY, as I literally used the word WHY

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      You need to spend 90 Euro if you want the breakdown of Taiwan correspondents, but on the public website you can see that only 55% of respondents say they’d support Taiwan’s position politically in a China v Taiwan conflict. That’s a much lower bar than voicing support or actually doing something material in support. Based on this data, you should probably conclude that most people on Taiwan don’t think it’s a big issue. Meanwhile, the USA has killed thousands of people this year.

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        Yeah, it’s quite surprising that only 55% of the Taiwanese polled stated that they’d support Taiwan’s position. It quite probably is true that most don’t think it’s a big issue, especially considering that Taiwan got a negative score in Concerned About Foreign Attack. However I’m not quite sure how they (45%) would consider the US to be a bigger threat than China is, since Taiwan isn’t on bad terms with the US and China is the one who drops (empty or not) threats against Taiwan every now and then.

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          The question wasn’t phrased like threat to your sovereignty or well being, but “greatest threat to the world”. So while the USA might not attack them specifically, and China might even attack them specifically, most people probably concluded that for everyone else, they’re more likely to be attacked by the USA than China. Or that the USA does more negative actions (political interference, polluting, etc) that impact other countries.

          Only a small portion of the 55% need to think that way for it to become the majority answer. A very large portion of the correspondents don’t even think China is a threat to them. (Them being the correspondent as a person, not the Taipei-based institutions). So among that 45%, the USA is a very likely pick for greatest threat to the world.

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            Sorry. Turns out I didn’t read the proposition right. I missed that it’s asking about the threat to the world. To my defense, the screenshot attached to the post didn’t say so, but the post title and (presumably updated) figure in the site linked to does. Yes, in that case I agree that the most popular answer in Taiwan would be the US. Thank you for pointing it out to me!