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much of those funds go into the moderation and instance maintenance costs of the “highly controversial” Lemmy.ml,

That’s not true at all, the maintenance costs of lemmy.ml’s are miniscule compared to what the devs get.

However, that delves into a whole other can of worms on how PieFed instance blocks have problems - namely that people on the receiving end can still reply to them, though only people on the same originating instance will see those replies (or perhaps it’s worse and everyone using Lemmy will see them while everyone using PieFed will not? or perhaps something else altogether?).

As I understand it, keeping in mind it’s been a bit since I looked at it, it depends on where the community the interaction is taking place in is hosted. That’s always the central truth and where other instance collect the votes, comments etc. from. So say piefed user Alice blocks a user Bob who is on a different instance, or the instance Bob is on altogether.

If Bob then replies to Alice in a community hosted on lemmy then the reply is accepted and federated out to everyone. Alice’s instances notes that she blocked Bob and drops the replies, no one on Alice’s instance can see them.

If Bob replies to Alice in a community hosted on Alice’s instance then Bob’s instance logs the reply, sends it to Alice’s instance where it gets discovered that Alice blocked Bob and the reply is silently dropped. Any instance now checking the community for new comments will not receive Bob’s reply since Alice’s instance dropped it. Bob’s instance however already logged the reply, so it remains local to Bob’s instance only.

What I don’t know is what happens among piefed instances, I think there is some functionality to notify Bob’s instance that Alice blocked him if Bob’s instance is running Piefed and it will delete the comment, but that part I’m least sure about.

The way blocks work in Lemmy is that a user will simply not be shown what they block, federation is completely unaffected. An ordinary user can only decide what they are shown not what others are shown.

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Actually it was mostly hexbear to initiate defederations. Hexbear has an allowlist of federated communities instead of a denylist and which is why it doesn’t show up in the graph. The only instance to initiate defederation that I’m aware of is lemmy.world’s “pre-emptive defederation as a last resort”.

Lol yeah, I hadn’t proofread my comment to my satisfaction when my kids started crying and I desperately wanted to at least read it once in full length but my wifes glares kept getting stronger and stronger so I just bailed lol

On EMI, it is a very different thing indeed. At the end of an EMI you own the home personally. With a renters co-op all the renters own and manage all the properties collectively as soon as they become members. Well kind of. A renters co-op might get very large, at which point an elected governing body becomes necessary. Any renter is eligible to vote in these elections, no matter how long they’ve been renting, and representatives are literally from the neighborhood so it’s possible to just talk to them while out walking the dog or whatever. This governing body (however incorporated, usually as an association i think) owns all the properties, some engaged renters put themselves up for election and people vote on it. This governing body then oversees the budget and weighs what to put all the incoming rent toward.

But no matter how long you have lived there, how much rent you paid, you personally don’t own any part of any property. If you move to another residence within the co-op you just move there. No selling or buying, your rent might get adjusted but that’s it. If you move out of the co-op you get the portion of the co-op that you own paid out. You can think of it a bit like a share in a company. You own a portion of the company, the share is valued at whatever fraction you own times the value of the company. You can decide on the direction of the company by voting with other shareholders. The parallels end however when you get to trading shares, you can’t trade membership in a co-op. Every renter is expected to own a “share” (with maybe some rare exceptions) and every “shareholder” is expected to have a residence in the co-op. It’s therefore not possible to trade your share. Either you’re a renter in which case you have to have one, or you aren’t in which case you cannot have one. Meaning you can’t speculate on them.

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You can take your devs vult and shove it where the sun don’t shine. You’ve shamelessly even named yourself after a colonizer that basically started the british mandate of palestine. Your kind has done unspeakable things in west asia and you will be remembered by history as people that were rotten to the core. Future generations will be baffled as to how humans could come to the stuff that your kind did.

That copy-pasta is a meme from 4chan that if a person in china gets sent this, it trips the firewall and they get disconnected.^[1]

By sending me this they are assuming that I’m

a) chinese (based on nothing but me talking about marxism-leninism)
b) this will have negative consequences for me

There is no need to send me that copy-pasta except to try to get a cheap dunk because my comment does not even mention China. It has no informational value, it’s just a list of phrases idiots online think chinese people are banned from seeing.

I’d further question why you are so eager to whitesplain to a chinese person (not me but 秦始皇帝) why something they consider racist actually isn’t. Racism is not a thing that’s inherent to an action but how it impacts people and if someone told me “dude that thing you did/said is hurtful” I’d stop simply on the grounds of not wanting to hurt people based on their race.

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blahaj was on the tesseract blocklist as well though. We even get mentioned alongside dbzer0 and quokk.au in the “bad instances that advocate/condone violence” list in patrick’s rant.

God forbid somebody can be against US imperialism and against Russian imperialism simultaneously, that’s much too nuanced.

I think the most common position I’ve seen on these “tankie” spaces is:

I mean the current state of Russia is the consequence of the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union against the will of the people after all.

Then the tesseract situation happened, and that truly opened my eyes. They did not see any difference between Anarchists, Communists, general leftists, or even just Queer people and minorities. It became clear to me that people like them view all of us through the same lens of hostility and anger. So I asked the question: if they see us all as the same, then why must we keep fighting? Just as we were all attacked on that day, the communists made noise to defend the anarchists. Despite how hostile we have been to them, they were more than willing to forgive and forget (I suspect they still are).

Hah just want to add that this argument is what made me go vegan lol. They were using techniques and machinery from animal ag during the holocaust in the work camps for instance. To the capitalists keeping us alive is just an expenditure that needs to be minimised, human or non-human matters only insofar as what they can use. If a disabled person is less useful to them than a chicken then guess who goes into the gas chamber? They don’t make a distinction between profit from a human or profit from a non-human so why should I? I recognise this line of thinking very well because of that, finding yourself lumped in with others as the designated enemy makes one look at those who are also considered enemies in a completely different light.

Rule breaking tankie behavior has never been about their particular ideology, only about more universal standards that we apply to everyone.

Ok but the sidebar literally says that “Proselytization, support, or defense of … Nazism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism [is not welcome]”. So forgive my confusion here please but to me these are contradictory statements. If I defend the actions of the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam or the South African Communist Party is that bannable? Because it gets mentioned right after Nazism and I should think that any defend of any Nazi party would get one banned immediately.

Also my comment got removed as “tankie comment” even though I don’t even mention any specific event. So it’s hard to not understand this literally as “Marxism-Leninism is not welcome here, we believe it’s a harmful as Nazism”.

And banning QinShiHuangsShlong as “Tankie” for calling out the racist copy-pasta thereby siding with westerners explaining to him how it’s totally not racist to think its funny that people will get in trouble with the supposed draconian government all but confirmed that this is bullshit. I don’t believe you.

Yeah don’t forget the racism for linking readsettlers.org 🙄
The harassment and brigading was bullshit https://lemmy.ml/post/42668945
The trolling was pointing out how Germany is complicit in the Palestinian genocide, something that really hurts the ego of germans who are nationalist.
The russian propaganda is linking a video that is critical of russia as well as Ukraine but Jordan Lund never cared about nuance
The genocide denial is me engaging in good faith with stuff I was given
The ban evasion is me switching to a blahaj account after lemm.ee shut down and forgetting to bring my ban list with me I guess?

That’s what I mean by I don’t understand. From my perspective none of those make sense. I never get banned for being rude (Well aside from calling Germany Genocidesmany, but I think in context that’s justified and not directed at any person). I am most likely to get banned when I actually engage in good faith ironically, which makes me very hesitant to post this comment and which is why I explicitly asked you not to explain, because I don’t wanna get into it but I also don’t just wanna have this standing there. Plus it compounds. The more you get banned (for whatever reason) the likelier it is you will get banned.

I am going to disengage from here if you actually want to tell me something please do it somewhere else, it’s unfair to have this thrown at me and not being able to respond.

I do not understand, and I meant that part literally, what it is that makes people hates “tankies”. I genuinely do not know what I have written that would make people hate me but I understand that any further discussion is likely to get me banned.

Please do not reply to me with an explanation, at least not here. I just wanted to clarify that when I write “I don’t see why people …” I mean that literally. I don’t understand it. It’s frustrating to be shown the door so rudely by people you think would be on your side without knowing why.

Naaah I see the dems post wholesome chungus pictures of Obama, Bush and Clinton fishing. Harris was “proud” of Liz Cheney’s endorsement. I’ve heard what they say but more importantly I’ve seen what they do.

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Oh that’s good to hear. It sucks that people have to constantly fight the dev to keep his opinions out of the code though, must be tiring for all involved surely…

The two main lists that are implemented by default are a defederation list and huge huge listof blocked domains which includes wikileaks for instance, there are other lists (I don’t know if the “trusted instance” list comes prepopulated) and almost all can be emptied or added to. But that means that an admin that sets up the software has to go through a whole rigmarole to get the instance to neutral before being able to do what they think is best. And hope they didn’t miss anything.

In the case of the blocked domains it’s particularly grating since it has like 4000 entries that you either have to delete one-by-one or have to do a manual db transaction to empty the list and that is by design. Plus all you get as a warning that such a list exists is one line during the setup that says Added 'No-QAnon' blocklist, see https://github.com/rimu/no-qanon but it’s definitely not just QAnon links.

I’m not talking about your views, I’m asking what you hope a captured movement can accomplish?