The PRC has atleast 100 billionaires in the upper sections of its government and “Communist” party, and many more millionaires.

These sources are both false and misleading. The economy of the People’s Republic of China is very similar to that of a Fascist state, in that state and capital have merged to such an extent to which even the state-owned economic assets are de-facto in the hands of the ultra-rich. Even if these sources were correct, it does not change the fact that the state-owned sections of the economy are a minority, making up only aboud 25% of the economy, the rest being privately owned.

Perhaps you Dengists should consider reading the works of actual Marxists, it will help you understand that multi-billionaires and Socialism are incapable.

Sources: https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/chinas-top-20-businessmen-cum-lawmakers-are-worth-a-staggering-534-billion-101614930775615.html

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/private-sector-retreating-china-not-among-its-largest-companies

“It’s totally a core theory in Marxism to enslave your country to Western corporations, create a massive clique multi-billionaires who run the Communist Party, maintain massive stock markets, have sixteen-hour workdays, totally Marxist! This is what Lenin would dream about!”> -Dengists

If you think that having the bourgeoisie own the means of production is a good thing, then you are a Capitalist-supporter.

You need not look further then the constitution, the fundamental law, of the People’s Republic of China itself. During the 10th National People’s Congress, held in 2004, it was decided that private (bourgeois) property should be both allowed and enforced by the “Communist” party. For example, it says, I quote:

legally obtained private property of the citizens shall not be violated

Private ownership of the means of production is legally enforced by the Communist Party, how Socialist.

Do you want sources for all the billionaires? let me present them:

https://www.rt.com/business/553679-shenzhen-china-billionaires-number/

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-04-06/China-has-more-billionaires-than-ever-Forbes-ZffqU7Mmbe/index.html

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d774d774d544d30457a6333566d54/index.html

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-20/Stock-market-boom-new-listings-mint-China-billionaires-at-record-pace-UKyamY6s9i/index.html

As to your claim that I am “cherry-picking”, that is false. As I have already said, people such as Guo Wengui are very rare. Geo Wengui commited very major crimes to get such as treatment. However, I must once again ask you something; Why does China have billionaires in the first place? Billionaires are not useful for economic growth, they are greedy, selfish, and care about exploiting their labourers. China could, with ease, achive the same, if not more, economic growth with a centrally planned economy. They do not need billionaires, let alone have atleast 100 billionaires in major government posts.

I am on Lemmygrad, particularly this part of Lemmygrad, because I thought I could get an intellectually meaningful discussion with fellow Marxists. I do not hate Dengists (which clearly seems to be an omnipresent ideology here), one of the reasons why I was so invested in this discussion was to help Dengists and other revisionists understand their Capitalistic and Anti-Marxist theory. Of course, now that I see how deeply Revisionist this community is, I have realised that this is rather futile - You Revisionists really think that Billionaires is Socialism, abusing Proletarians is Socialist in character, and selling guns to Anti-Communist governments to murder Communists is Spreading the Revolution. You Dengists use so many complex mental gymnastics to defend a clearly Capitalist state, I was not expecting this, I confess.

What you said is a complete mischaracterisation of Enver Hoxha and Hoxhaism.

The People’s Republic of China has taken an openly Anti-Marxist path, selling out its people to Western Megacorporations, and adopting bourgeois-nationalism as part of its ideology.

Enver Hoxha never claimed to be the only “true” Marxist, nor do Hoxhaists claim that the People’s Socialist Republic of Albania was the only true Socialist State.

Saying that:

• Marxism is unchanging and rigid and no one can ever do anything different based on their country’s material conditions and circumstances. If a country ever makes mistakes, does anything I personal disagree with, it is an evil revisionist capitalist hellscape.*

Is false, considering that Hoxhaists fundimetally oppose the imperialism of NATO and uphold national self-determination.

And lastly claiming that:

The US and the west are evil, but I utilize their information channels for all of my opinions of other countries, or I base all my opinions on purist infighting from the 1970s and won’t ever accept that there may be alternate paths to the same goal. You are stupid and wrong for having a different opinion than me, revisionist pig.

Is utterly false. Everything I said is based on empirical information, not what the State Department said. You can use information, not based off Western-sources, to prove the large existance of billionaires in the PRC government and the Communist Party of China. You can prove that the SOEs only make up less than 25% of the economy, and so on. I am simply adhering to Revolutionary defeatism.

In a way, you could say that. However, I think that in helping to develop our revolutionary theory, we must fundimentally look at the People’s Republic of China as an example of what not to do when building Socialism.

Correct, Deng Xiaoping was a revisionist and opportunist who completely forgot about class contradiction and imperialism, instead turning his nation into a Capitalist state.

Totally Anti-Marxist. You should know that the economic mode of production deeply effects the socio-political system of a given country. Have you ever considered that Imperialists have rival Imperialists, like during the First World War? This is the same case.

• Bails out wall street, the hub of Capitalism

• Xi Xinping is a multi-millionaire, if not billionaire

• Sends guns to Capitalist governments in India, Nepal, and the Philippines to kill Communist revolutionaires

• Consitution enshires private ownership of the means of production into law, in a similar way to how the USA consitution does

• Has the largest amont of billionaires, more than any other country, even the USA

• Creates dept-traps and economic colonies in Africa

• Forces workers to work until 9PM, with little democratic say in the work-place, said work-place being owned by a millionaire or Western megacorporation

• The stars on its flag represent class collaboration with the bourgeoisie and landlords

That seems rather Capitalist to me…

Sources:

Experences and Challenges in the development of the Chinese Capital Market

https://caknowledge.com/xi-jinping-net-worth/

This is nothing more than Dengist Revisionist propaganda, and a total detachment from Marxism.

1. Saying things such as “they execute corrupt billionaires” is false; as in your haste to defend Capitalist-states like China, who have the largest amont of billionaries than any other country, you have forgotten to compute one simple thing - WHY DOES CHINA HAVE BILLIONAIRES IN THE FIRST PLACE?! Even if this were to be true, they only rarely execute bourgeois for major crimes, extreme nepotism, corruption, and such, not out of any Anti-capitalist ideology. If they were truly Socialist, these billionaires would not exist in the first place.

Furthermore, The PRC has shown an extreme amont of amiability to its bourgeoisie, they have greatly removed labour rights, and given many favours to its bourgeoisie, not anything near hostility.

2. You fail to understand that SOEs only make up less than 25% of the PRC’s total economy, nor are these SOEs Socialist in regards to their economic relations with their workers.

In fact, you have already partially proven my point: “These enterprises exist as an arm of the state and function within the global capitalist ideological context”. In other words, these SOEs have been turned into a form of Capitalist-style ownership in order for them to be able to contend with Western corporations.

These SOEs fuction identically to private ownership, they both are owned by a bourgeois class, they both exploit their workers’ labour value, and they both care about profits. Therefore, even these SOEs create Capitalist exploitation.

3. What achievments? Workers cannot even get basic healthcare (at least not outside the major cities), China has one of the worst labour conditions, and its Capitalist-ruling class makes unthinkable profits at the same time.

Lastly on this point, how is poverty reduction Socialism by itself? Poverty reduction could sometimes happen under Capitalism, do we call that Socialism?

4. The private education sector is still fuctional, from what I can tell. Could you present proof? And furthermore, how is that to itself Socialism?

Completely false. The economy of the People’s Republic of China is not a planned economy - the vast majority of its economy is under the control of private corporations, and is not subject to government planning. Capitalism is not “locked in a cage” in China, for Capitalism is locking China in a cage, via constant labour abuses, extremely poor working conditions, plutocratic rule, ect. Furthermore, the “Communist” Party of China has no plans to recreate a planned economy, nor Socialism. In short, China is undergoing an NEP (state-capitalism) without end.