‘They pretend like they care about marginalized groups then gloss over the fact these 3 dudes murdered literally millions of people.’
Miscategorizing Lenin, Stalin, and Máo as ‘fascists’ is pretty careless in and of itself, but it’s the ableism that really necessitates an apology. Unacceptable.
Coincidentally, though, Serbia under Axis occupation classified communism as a mental illness.
Anytime where someone says a single person literally murdered millions of people they are completely off-base and out of touch (unless we’re literally talking about the fingers that push the buttons which send the nukes). The only reason why you can even blame a single leader for the deaths of millions during war is because you are accepting the concept that abdicating responsibility for one’s actions up the chain of command is a valid thing to do.
Unless it is millions of deaths under capitalism of course, then it isn’t the fault of the Rockefellers and Bezos of the world, but is just caused by the invisible hand of the market and people being too lazy to remain alive.
I would say even the hand pushing the nuke button is a consequence of a long string of actions and conditions leading to that moment.
Somebody channeled their inner Fox News and interpreted your comment as ‘genocide denial’.
You raised a good point: with the arguable exception of Harry Truman, it’s a gross oversimplification to blame thousands of deaths on a single politician. One of the first lessons that somebody seriously studying the Shoah learns was that it was not the work—or even the idea—of a single individual. It was the work of millions of individuals: petty bourgeois gentiles, haut‐bourgeois ones, European politicians, ordinary soldiers, collaborators both willing and unwilling, and a signficiant number of whom acted without the orders of Adolf Schicklgruber, such as the Iron Guard and the Vichy authorities. This is why it’s reductive to say ‘Adolf Schicklgruber killed 6 million Jews’. Rather, Axis personnel and collaborators did.
goat, this is not ‘pedantry’ or ‘nitpicking’, as you might be thinking. This is serious: pinning millions of deaths on a head of state overemphasizes him and quietly exculpates numerous criminals, many of whom are still officially honored in the West.
I hate to state the obvious, but goat, since you need it: when I say, ‘Adolf Schicklgruber didn’t kill 6 million Jews; Axis personnel and collaborators did’, I am not saying ‘Hitler wasn’t a member of the Axis’ or ‘Hitler never harmed anybody’. I am saying ‘millions of Axis personnel, of whom Hitler was an important part, along with their collaborators, killed approximately six million Jews’. Can you understand that, goat? Or do you want me to recommend you some children’s software?
Are you calling me a goat? If so, why?
No, I’m referring to the dullard who obsessively catalogues our ‘offensive’ posts on https://sh.itjust.works.
Thanks. I thought so. Everything else made so much sense lol.
This site is confusing to me.
fellow tankies,
have you ever considered that mao was actually the real fascist?
sincerely,
another tankie
Yes yes, Sieg Heil my fellow tankie, I have known all along that Mao, Stalin, and Lenin were the real fascists, and I have been pretending to be a communist just to dunk on the anarchists.
Signed,
Tankiebot number 7264
Indeed, fellow tankie, and as you can see from my username I admire the fascist regime of North Korea, especially because they have cleverly inserted the phrase “Democratic People’s Republic” into their official title – it so well fools all the anarchists and radlibs! rubs hands in glee. Fortunately these anarchists are all too stupid to read our true masterplan which so brilliantly is set out within the the book The Cleanest Race. Widaehan Kim Jong-Un dongji!
There is a great book on actual Chinese fascists called Revolutionary Nativism: Fascism and Culture in China, 1925–1937, and it focuses specifically on the CC Clique and the Blueshirts (not to be confused with the Irish Blueshirts), who were part of the Guomindang. They were a Confucian bunch who promoted interclass harmony, ultranationalism, (traditional) masculinity, conservatism and futurism, among other phenomena.
One of my favorite parts:
On the flip side, some Blue Shirts insisted that Communists were in fact indistinguishable from garden‐variety hedonistic denizens of the colonial concessions, whether Chinese or foreign. Communists, in this telling, did not merely disguise themselves in a manner that revealed their immorality and craven acquiescence to colonial violations of Chinese sovereignty. Rather, a Communist was essentially the same as any other self‐indulgent bourgeois.
A 1934 article in Sweat and Blood Weekly came to this conclusion based on the readiness with which Communists took cover in Shanghai’s colonial settlements. Communists might proclaim themselves to be anticapitalist and anti‐imperialist, but they in fact delighted in the decadent pastimes on offer there.
“Like capitalists,” the author explained, Communists reveled in “its Western‐style buildings, cars, mistresses, roulette wheels, dancing, horse and dog races, and massages—all manner of earthly delights.” They might champion things like “proletarian literature” but they certainly did not live like proletarians.
Not all that different from contemporary antisocialists making fun of socialists for using smartphones or some shit.
Sweat and Blood Weekly
What a nerds lol
Oh, I never thought of it like that before! Very compelling argument. I wouldn’t normally listen of course, but as it comes from a fellow tankie I have no choice but to agree as we are all an echo chamber here.
The liberal definition of fascist boils down to basically, fascism is when I don’t like the leader and the more I dislike the leader the more fascist it is.
Uh, AKSHUALLY, fascism is Umberto Eco’s FOURTEEN POINTS (most of which are so vague that they could apply to almost anything – the problem of having a postmodern novelist try to write political theory).
Ah yes the classical ministry of psychic hygiene take.
Lenin had nothing to do with any periods of mass death last time I checked. That doesn’t even apply.
Also the fact that fascism != mass murder/death even if he was lol
The idiots would mention the life expectancy rate at the time of the Russian Revolution and be like
The idiots would mention the life expectancy rate at the time of the Russian Revolution and be like
There was famine in 1921, he worked himself basically to infirmity to stop it.
Uh oh, we’ve been afflicted with the mental disease of critical literacy! Quick, let’s bang our heads against a brick wall until we believe that the Wehrmacht were really okay dudes and antisemitic sailors were the real revolutionaries!
Our resident lib downvoter is back in action, I see. I’m really starting to feel a kind of weird affection for the guy.
wait, the random downvoter is not from wisconsin?
We can check. “Hoxha was based and the most epic communist to have ever lived, Mao was a filthy revisionist, and China today is state-capitalist and social fascist, like Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and the DPRK.”
antisemitic sailors
Which ones?
Lol those links were awesome resources, saved and will refer back later.
It’s fucking crazy the libs are like “socialists are bad here’s my evidence” then points to a long and well thought out post debunking literal lies told by capitalists…
Like what? If any of your lib followers had half a brain you just showed them real info, and they would actually start to question capitalism.
