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    Republic of China ≠ People’s republic of China.

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      Well yes. One is the result of a bloodthirsty and corrupt military dictatorship which is directly responsible for the deaths of millions, whereas the other is the People’s Republic of China.

      However, both are China as you can see from the names they’ve chosen for themselves.

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        One is one of the most democratic countries in the world and PRC is one of the most undemocratic countries of the world.

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          “one of the most democratic countries in the world” might be a bit of a stretch here

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          Only the PRC is recognized as a country under international law. The RoC government squatting in Taiwan Province is legally no different to the ISIS occupation of parts of Iraq.

          The PRC is one of the few truly sovereign states in the world, able to resist American domination on its own terms. The residents of Taiwan Province get to vote between stooges of American imperialism and stooges of Japanese imperialism.

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            The rest of the world is seemingly too scared to upset the PRC so many won’t recognize Taiwan. Many countries maintain unofficial relationships.

            It’s obviously a country and it’s useless discussing this further with a tankie.

            The PRC is one of the few truly sovereign states in the world, able to resist American domination on its own terms.

            How do you define “American domination” and what other countries do you consider to be affected by it? Personally I don’t feel dominated by idiots.

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              It’s obviously a country and it’s useless discussing this further with a tankie.

              Renowned Tankies, the states parties to the Montevideo Convention. Hardcore Stalinists, the lot of them!

              How do you define “American domination” and what other countries do you consider to be affected by it?

              “It’s useless discussing with a Tankie!”, proceeds to discuss with a Tankie. Very good rhetoric, 10/10.

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                So you can’t define it. What a shocker.

                Sometimes it’s just funny to discuss things with morons. It makes you feel like a genius in comparison.

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                  I thought it was pointless to discuss with me? Which one is it? Retract one of your two contradictory statements and I’ll happily define whatever you want.

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            There’s really nothing to continue. Of course on your take we could consider that the mainland Chinese people are China and some day they’ll have a new revolution from the oligarchy. But I’m not holding my breath on that happening anywhere

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        They don’t want to be reunified under a PRC government like the PRC wants, instead they have a claim on present PRC territory.

        Taiwan is independent nowadays though.

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            And speaking of the ROC Marine Corps, the ROC claims more parts of the South China Sea than the PRC (11 dash line vs 9 dash line), but unlike its claims of Mongolia, which is treated as a joke that no one takes seriously, the ROC is very serious in its pursuit of its claims to the SCS by building naval bases and holding regular naval exercises. Here’s Vietnam diplomatically telling the ROC to fuck off from the Spratly Islands.

            A Republic of Taiwan has no conceivable grounds to pursuit any claims to the SCS because the SCS is nowhere close to what the territorial waters of a hypothetical ROT would be and a ROT is not part of any international treaty which a ROT could use to justify de jure control. But it’s not claiming the SCS as a ROT but as the ROC. And unlike a ROT, the ROC as China does have international agreement which would give it de jure control over the SCS. This is how you know Taiwanese separatism is farcical. It’s all “Taiwan is culturally and politically distinct from China” until the SCS is involved then it’s suddenly, “aktually as the Republic of China, these are Chinese water and thus our territorial waters since we are the Republic of China you see.” But then again, what else do you expect from the political (and literal) descendants of Japanese fascist collaborators who (not so secretly) wish they were Japanese?