Some mentioned the other one was old. Heres a two-day old article on the same issue.

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    Give an example of how that’s a straw man, its literally punishing the innocent for the crimes of criminal with laws theyre already ignoring.

    Nice try.

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      Give an example of how that’s a straw man

      I never said anything about any of this:

      • criminals that by definition dont follow the law and have no issues comiting murder, will swap those 30rd mags for 10’s becuase those are legal

      Or this:

      • I’ll bet speed limits and DUI laws stop people too right?

      You are arguing against a position I do not hold, a strawman.

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        If your argument is that limiting magazine capacity for people not commuting crimes, has an effect on people that ignore laws and will not produce any real life result as a consequence of that, than yes, you are.

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          Now you’ve moved the goal posts.

          These two statements:

          • has an effect on people that ignore laws

          and

          • criminals that by definition dont follow the law and have no issues comiting murder, will swap those 30rd mags for 10’s becuase those are legal

          are fundamentally different claims.

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            Goal posts are exactly where they’ve always been. You want the innocent hindered/punished for the crimes of criminals with laws/regulations that only apply to those who follow laws in the first place. Law that aren’t new, and have proven useless. You’re clearly not a CA resident, or a gun owner because this is elementary school simple, yet clearly over your head.

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              Goal posts are exactly where they’ve always been

              Not anymore, because

              • has an effect on people that ignore laws

              and

              • criminals that by definition dont follow the law and have no issues comiting murder, will swap those 30rd mags for 10’s becuase those are legal

              are not the same. They are fundamentally different claims. One is focused on effect, the other on intent.

              You want the innocent hindered/punished for the crimes of criminals with laws/regulations that only apply to those who follow laws in the first place.

              That’s not what I want.

              You’re clearly not a CA resident, or a gun owner because this is elementary school simple, yet clearly over your head.

              And this is an ad hominem.

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                • Not anymore, because

                has an effect on people that ignore laws and

                criminals that by definition dont follow the law and have no issues comiting murder, will swap those 30rd mags for 10’s becuase those are legal are not the same. They are fundamentally different claims. One is focused on effect, the other on intent.

                Those are constant facts, they move nothing. Unless you’re claiming that criminals follow laws.

                That’s not what I want.

                Then explain why you support regulations that will only accomplish just that.

                And this is an ad hominem.

                No, that’s obvious. The ad-hominem would be you virtue signalling children as a way to violate the rights of the law abiding.

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                  Then explain why you support regulations that will only accomplish just that.

                  Nah. From what I’ve seen, you’d just intentionally miss the point.