Can we get a consensus on whether our community should de-federate with servers that host loli? I personally think we should block them, and if that ends up not being the consensus here then I’ll probably sign up on another server. I hope we can all agree to set that boundary though because I like it here and it seems otherwise pretty cool.

  • DarkwingDuck@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    No need to defederate. I just went and blocked loli and related communities that popped up. I will never see them again.

    So, my vote is NAY.

      • Barbarian@sh.itjust.works
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        1 year ago

        Personally, I’m fine with a NSFW tag, and would hope that NSFW instances respect other instances enough to properly tag stuff.

        Any instance with a gore community? Nah, screw that noise. Add it to the block list.

    • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
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      1 year ago

      Federation is still young.

      It may be easy to individually block communities now but what about in a few months/years when there are potentially 10x more communities across 10x more instances?

      How intimidating would it be for a new user to have to go through 100+ communities and block them all individually instead of just blocking 5-10 instances?

    • Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works
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      1 year ago

      Child porn but with drawing

      Depending where you live, it can be “still be legal” because no kid were raped, or illegal. So I am 100% sure blocking the whole instance hosting child-porn. I don’t want to get in trouble with the law for watching the front-page. More important, I don’t want hear that lemmy is used by pedophile to exchange child-porn

    • InfiniteVariables@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      1 year ago

      Hentai of underage persons. A lot of the time they’ll try to pretend it’s not by dressing it in a fantasy or scifi setting but that’s what it essentially is. I personally see it as cp

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    1 year ago

    For the sake of argument I’ll approach this from a different perspective than everyone else.

    Depending on jurisdiction there might be implications in hosting an instance that is federated with instances that host loli. I’m not familiar enough with Canada’s laws and / or le Code Civil du Québec to know if it is considered CSAM, but assuming it is does federating with those communities replicate the media on this instance as well? Would this count as ‘redistributing it’?

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      Canada laws on CSAM are very strict. even written fictional text are considered csam by law definition. And yes, a known horror novel writer has been charged for csam production in a fiction book. he’s been acquitted tho, fortunately. But that raise an alarm that tell us that cops can arrest you for pretty much anything . If you sculpt a loli into ficello string cheese , that enter the definition of CP in Canada.

      there is a part of definition saying: "and other visual representation " which is very vague and broad .

      https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-163.1.html

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        1 year ago

        That’s not true. It’s a petite anime girl, not underage. People keep trying to conflate the two. It’s weird because even if they have big boobs and are obviously legal people still try to shove them into the title of being underage. (like the petite sensei, Uzaki, and Hestia from Is it Wrong to Pick up Girls in a Dungeon).

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    1 year ago

    I’d like that shit gone too. I understand not wanting to close ourselves off too much but I think things like avoiding groups that are ok with shit like loli is a no brainer.

  • InfiniteVariables@sh.itjust.worksOP
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    1 year ago

    To everyone saying just block the communities:

    1. I don’t want to have to block communities. In order to know I need to block a community, I have to see content which I feel is worth blocking. That’s fine for most cases but in this case that is not fine (to me personally).

    2. I don’t necessarily want to associate or interact with people who are fine having a server with loli as their home server. Not to be mean about it but that’s just how I feel flat out.

    I think this is an instance where de-federation is the correct course of action.

  • _uc@sh.itjust.works
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    Absolutely block instances hosting illegal content - the way federation works means copies / caches of content can end up on this server? Or even if that’s not how lemmy does it, it risks using this server to facilitate the spread of something incredibly harmful & damaging.

    As far as I’m concerned there’s no argument for allowing / normalising content produced which quite literally ruins peoples lives.

    Edit: Even stuff that’s purely cartoonish in nature for me is just grim, and I don’t want to be a part of a community which supports it.

    Edit2: If a server can block a specific community posting CSAM then maybe that’s a better solution than blocking the underlying infrastructure. If that’s not possible, I think defederation is the only real way to deal it, as frustrating as that would be for legitimate users.