Some arguments in the thread was that this was some bullshit rumour that was started by neo-nazi admins of dbzer0.com or from some .ml instances.
It’s easy to point fingers and make up rumours, but this is a genuine concern. Whether it’s at lemmy.world or dbzer0.com or anywhere else.
This is the responsibility of the communities to call these people out. Whether they are neo-nazis or zionists, it doesn’t matter. They should not be moderating any instances.
Finally, if there is any real proof of this, can people share it here? Like posts, comments, modlogs?
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An admin on world is making waves by saying that calling for the murder of zionists is against its instance’s ToS and the tankie triad instances (including triad-adjacence instances like dbzer0) are losing their shit over it.
It’s quite amusing.
Correction, an admin on .world is pretending “murder all Zionists” was a direct death threat against them, after they got upset over their parent organisation being called ZioNazi.
The admin hastily acted to defederate an entire instance rather than reach out and talk to anyone. Leading to a days later announcement post by .world with 500+ replies mostly saying how shit .worlds admins acted by members of all instances.
.world meekly walked back the defederation, gave a random mod secret admin access and started banning users en masse.
Note how SMCF didn’t actually read any of this, just angry at people being anti-genocide.
The real genocide is the meanness to .world
They are the real victims 😔
Would you consider murder all zionists to be supporting genocide?
Zionism is a political ideology, not an immutable characteristic like nationality, ethnicity, etc, so I’d say no. I don’t find it especially productive to say but it’s not hard to see why people feel that way.
No.
Would you consider murder all Nazis to be genocide?
It’s an ideology.
Probably, seeing as he can’t tell the difference.
No, no one is born as a Zionist. It is an ideology. No one is born with an ideology, it is taught to them or informed to them with age.
No one took it as supporting genocide when people said Kill All Nazis. No one is born a Nazi. Or fascists in general.
Nazis wanted to purge all Jews (and Romani, disabled, and more), a ethnic and cultural background. Zionists want to purge all Arabs and muslims, a set of cultural and ethnic backgrounds.
You are conflating Zionism with being an ethnic or relgious Jew, an explicitly antisemitic belief. There are anti-zionist Jews, and there are Zionist Christians, Hindus, Germans, Americans, Inidans, and so on.
This is you thinking Jews must inherently need to do this in their holy book or in their blood. That somehow all states that happen to be ran by Jews must do this otherwise something bad will happen to them internally or they will be punished according to the Torah.
You are incredibly gross for this. No one should take you seriously. And I know how much you don’t me personally, so I am reveling in you revealing this. I’ve never once said anything this blindly hateful.
Is Israel not a Zionist state?
Israel is the objective of zionism. It’s the result of the ideology itself.
It is, but people aren’t their nation, the leaders are the heads of state, but not the state. Donald Trump is not America as a person, as much as he shows things about it. Trump said something stupid, does that mean you believe it to be true and must be followed?
And Israel has citizens who probably don’t support the endless wars and being drafted into it. All of Israel isn’t one person. Again, conflating the actions of a philosophy with an ethnic background.
Fucking disgusting person you are.
I don’t think you’re understanding how blanket calling for the murdering of a nation is problematic even if they’re actively involved in their own genocide.
If you genocide genociders you’re still genociding.
“Kill all Nazis”
“Wow you want to murder all Germans? That’s so problematic…”
No he’s claiming a former admin saying kill all zionists is a threat to himself (Mr Kaplan) then banning instance AN because it was small, then threatening db0 afterwards.
I just realized that by unilaterally defederating an instance using its few numbers as a reason, Kaplan placed themselves as someone who would censor minorities due to their lower numbers, relatively speaking.
Having someone in power subconsciously saying the voices of the few don’t matter is a bit ironic considering what the federation of these small instances is supposed to represent.
But I might be overreaching with this…
Gross attitude.
Differing viewpoints aren’t gross.
Genocide isn’t a viewpoint unless you’re a monster. piefed.world moment