Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley): During an appearance on ABC’s This Week with Jonathan Karl, Secretary of State Tony Blinken explicitly said that the US would not oppose Ukraine using US-supplied longer-range missiles to attack deep inside Russian territory, a move that Moscow
  • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
    392·
    1 year ago

    The yanks told Saddam the same thing before he turned his internal shitshow towards Kuwait. Is this the turning point? Remember, that although Blinken is on record, the papers can pretend from tomorrow that it never happened and libs will be like:

    Of course we need to send the marines in to Ukraine to preserve democracy. (Not too much democracy. We don’t want the communist party to get too comfortable. But nice, polite, civil democracy, that’s tolerant and not rude to ethnic cleaners.) Zelensky went too far. Who could’ve guessed that he would start bombing kindergartens in Russia after realising that sending high tech missiles against well defended military bases doesn’t work after the ‘high tech’ parts have been removed so the Russians can’t reverse engineer them? At least we can count on our friendly neighborhood US military to protect Ukrainians from their own government. They sure are lucky that my leaders are willing to make sacrifices to protect the world from harm. What’s that? Yes, it was obvious to me from the beginning that Ukraine was governed by the most corrupt and evil totalitautharian government in history. Why yes, I always thought Putin was a fine chap; at times I thought he and I were the only ones to see that invading the Donbas was the right decision. Why do you ask?

    • Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
      341·
      1 year ago

      Why yes, I always thought Putin was a fine chap; at times I thought he and I were the only ones to see that invading the Donbas was the right decision.

      Nah, they’ll never go this far. Admitting that a state-dep designated enemy may have been right about something, anything? Won’t happen.

      • supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml
        25·
        1 year ago

        Exactly, highly unlikely. Especially as Russia needs to be the enemy because western corps want its resources. They will just find another pawn than Ukraine to fight Russia when this is finally over. There are tons of compradors in Post Soviet Eastern Europe that will oblige.

                • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  11·
                  1 year ago

                  The people next in line behind Putin are rife with hypernationalist hawks. I highly doubt you’re going to find someone who would both sell out to the west after all this and live long enough around their compatriots to accomplish much before getting couped.

          • Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
            192·
            1 year ago

            Well if China goes serious about promoting socialism outside its borders, I can kinda see it happening. Bourgeoisie will always sell out if they feel threatened by the proletariat

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              14·
              1 year ago

              I don’t think China doing a full foreign policy 180 from non-interference to exporting revolution is on the cards in the near future. More likely the Russian bourgeoisie will just sell resources to China and angle for Chinese investments in Russia.

                • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  12·
                  1 year ago

                  Yeah, they’ll just continue to do that because it works for them. The Russian people can’t rely on outside help to oust the oligarchs, they have to do it themselves.

                  That being said, I think the oligarchs were really hurt by Western sanctions which cut off their wealth stored in the West.

    • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
      12·
      1 year ago

      Makes me wonder if a post-war Ukrainian rump state might try and capture territory from Moldova or somewhere in order to pay off their massive debt to the west, and be actively encouraged by the west to do so only for the west to flip around on them and attack them for it.

      • SoyViking [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        1 year ago

        Nah… That’s too risky and would really make it complicated to make propaganda for the moral case for Novorossiya belonging to Ukraine. They’ll just do austerity and structural adjustment at home instead, like they’re supposed to.

        • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
          1·
          1 year ago

          True, I was drawing parallels to the Iran/Iraq war, but there really isn’t much in common except the US prodding them.