Denaturalization goes through civil courts and requires only “Clear and convincing evidence” which is a lower standard than “Beyond reasonable doubt”
Excerpt from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Loss_of_nationality
The process of denaturalization is a legal procedure which results in nullifying nationality. Based upon the 1943 Supreme Court decision of Schneiderman v. United States, clear and convincing evidence must be evaluated in processing a denaturalization action. United States Attorneys for the district in which a defendant resides bring suit in the jurisdiction’s Federal District Court. Juries are typically not present and the defendant may be compelled to testify. Failure to testify may result in a presumption of guilt, though defendants can plead against self-incrimination. The standard of proof is not reasonable doubt, but rather clear, convincing, and unequivocal evidence. Decisions may be appealed in federal appellate courts and the Supreme Court. Once the legal process has concluded, the Department of State issues a Certificate of Loss of Nationality.
Standards of Proof in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)#Clear_and_convincing_evidence
Excerpt:
Clear and convincing proof means that the evidence presented by a party during the trial must be highly and substantially more probable to be true than not and the trier of fact must have a firm belief or conviction in its factuality. In this standard, a greater degree of believability must be met than the common standard of proof in civil actions (i.e. preponderance of the evidence), which only requires that the facts as a threshold be more likely than not to prove the issue for which they are asserted.
Why YSK: If you are a naturalized US citizen, you might want to reconsider if you want to protest and ending up being another Mahmoud Khalil. (Not saying to not protest, just informing you of the risks so you can decide for youself if its worth it or not).
And if you aren’t a naturalized US citizen; Why YSK: So you understand that the risks of protesting is higher than the risks of natural-born US Citizens protesting, so I hope you don’t judge them too harshly for not protesting.
The US is one of the only countries on earth where you have to pay ~3’000 USD in fees to lose the citizenship. Ridiculous.
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Or just move to some EU country and just refuse to pay your US taxes, what are they gonna do, arrest you? 😉
Coincidentally the US is also one of the few countries that taxes its citizens who live abroad. So they get double taxed. Both by the US govt and the country they live in.
Most American citizens have family (like their parents) in the country. If they don’t pay taxes they would be arrested when visiting the US to see their parents on their deathbeds. Or situations like that. Not great.
Technically, it’s not true double taxation, as you can deduct the taxes you paid in your host country from your American income tax.
It’s still shitty, but you ultimately only wind up paying the greater amount of the two tax rates.
Tax treaties exist between the US and many countries, primarily in Western Europe, to reduce double taxation.
And the US has a spotless record when it comes to honoring treaties right? Right?
Absolutely, honest injun.
…ugh, just typing that made my stomach churn.
But even if you pay the tax to renounce citizenship, you could still get detained by ICE anyways, so what’s the point. Just burn the bridge and never visit the US again.
It’s way worse than that; You have to pay income tax on your entire net worth when you renounce your citizenship. Basically, they say that when you renounce your citizenship, all of your assets are considered “sold” so you need to pay tax on it. The US also requires you to keep paying income taxes for a decade after you have renounced your citizenship. There was a big push around the 2008 crash, where congress became concerned that people would renounce their citizenship to dodge taxes. So they started making laws that required taxes to be paid even after expatriating.
Imagine moving to Germany and renouncing your citizenship, and you’re still paying income tax in America, for the income you made while in Germany.
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Not to mention when you are an US citizen, you have to pay taxes to us even if you have never even been to us. Green card and the american dream are the biggest scams an immigrant can fall for.
Wait, do they actually pursue people in that situation? Would someone need to move to a country with no extradition treaty if they didn’t want to pay taxes to a country they are no longer a citizen of? Man, that’s fucked.
They’d just wait for you to inevitably come back to the states to visit; Regardless of your personal feelings on nationality, everyone has parents who will get old and sick eventually, and chances are very good that you’ll come back to visit them or to settle their estate afterwards.
I bailed out. Fled to Canada, where after 16 years of happiness it now looks as if I might lose my country and be forced to become American again… fuck that. I’d rather die. I’ll disappear into the Shield and survive on bass and pickerel for the rest of my life, living like Rambo. Yeah John Rambo was American, but he would’ve been much better off as a Canadian.
Maybe asylum due to political threat to safety or something