• Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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    5 days ago

    You’re aware that the police is a biased participant in the conflict and you’re not really arguing against my point, right?

    • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
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      5 days ago

      Oh, but the protestor who uploaded a clip that did not show what happened before, is not biased???

      You only accepting the one side and one part of what happened there, makes you biased as well.

      To be honest: I don’t even know what your point is. Mine is: There is a bigger picture and we both haven’t seen it.

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        5 days ago

        Never said the proetestors aren’t biased. There’s no such thing as an unbiased perspective. I just wanted to make sure that you know that a police report should not be treated as a “factual” report (or copying one should not be counted as “journalism”, as a slight tangent).

        My original point was this (you could have looked it up - it’s not gone):

        The German state is incredibly repressive against solidarity for Palestine.

        How does the fact that the police admit that they arrest protestors for chanting slogans that criticize Israel refute my point in any way?

        • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
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          20 hours ago

          The truth is somewhere between. That’s kind of obvious…

          You won’t get arrested for critizing Israel. That’s not illegal here.

          If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should …, then you might get arrested, but that’s not criticism… You can replace the country or religion with any other… Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that’s good.

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            20 hours ago

            You won’t get arrested for critizing Israel. That’s not illegal here.

            You do run the risk of losing your visa, or getting deported, if you’re not a German citizen. And you might get sued for relatively minor things, if the case is connected to palestine solidarity. Also, judges and prosecutors will judge you more harshly, due to the Bundestagsresolution.

            Here’s an article on the matter

            Der Antisemitismusbeauftragte der Bundesregierung fordert härtere Strafen für vermeintlich antisemitische Vorfälle sowie den Einsatz von Sicherheitsbehörden wie dem Verfassungsschutz an Universitäten. Ferner sollten Aussagen wie „From the River to the Sea“ unter Strafe gestellt werden: „Mit Prävention allein kommen wir dem grassierenden Antisemitismus nicht bei.“

            If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should …, then you might get arrested, but that’s not criticism… You can replace the country or religion with any other… Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that’s good.

            My whole point is that criticism of Israel is equated to anisemitism. That’s the whole deal behind the ISRHA definition.