• futatorius@lemm.ee
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    10 hours ago

    Public provision of services is not socialism, it’s just common sense. The first mass state pension system was rolled out by that crusty reactionary Bismarck. Every rightwing country still has fire departments and (mostly) public road systems too. Not doing it that way is just stupidity, not ideology.

    What is socialism is when people doing the work have control of the means of production. Control, not a token share. One example is cooperatives. By this definition (which goes back to Karl Marx), neither the USSR nor Communist China were socialist, they were totalitarian state capitalist entitites. China still is, though less incompetent than under Mao. And this isn’t some revisionist point of view. Rosa Luxemburg and other contemporaries saw it happening at the onset.

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      4 hours ago

      The public healthcare and pension fund that Spain used today were created during the fascist dictatorship, as many other things that just made sense.

      As I said in another post, the main issue is greed. Why does the US don’t have a public healthcare system? Because of greed. It’s so obvious humanity has classified greed was a problem for centuries.