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    14 days ago

    She should not be charged in my opinion. It wasn’t a credible threat.

    What the shootings has done is shown how many Americans are fed up with the current system.

    You’re seeing stories from democrat and republicans.

    I don’t condone the violence at all but he may have sparked a medical revolution in our country.

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      14 days ago

      Saying (paraphrased) “you’re next” is not a threat. It’s an observation.

      She made no threat.

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        I’m not a person who does protest but I would march for changes to our medical system. While I’ve had a positive experience, the stories I’m hearing are mind blowing. It’s beyond absurd. Even if 90% of them were false. It’s still too many horrible stories but I suspect they are mostly true.

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          Mostly the same. My biggest headache has been some of my dependents have secondary insurance and no matter which company I’ve been with at the time, they always assume all of the do and will forget multiple times a year which are which and deny all of them claims until I talk to them because there are of course no self serve options there.

          I also care for a child who is on medicaid, never any problems there. All the scary news on how I shouldn’t be able to find providers has never been an issue and they are many medical conditions.

          Those are the stories I call bullshit on. They want us to be afraid of single payer so they over emphasize lack of care while ignoring the people who directly pay and actually lack care.

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            I always assumed that everyone’s experience was similar to mine. That’s why these stories have been mind blowing.

            I needed a PA for a very expensive mediation that most insurances deny. Uhc did deny it but then called the provider and walked them through the forms to get it covered. All in the same day.

            Yet you read about them deny cancer medication.

            I support a dual system where everyone has coverage but people can have private as well. That’s the Australian model. I think that would be easier to pass in America.

            All I know is this drew the average person to speak out against our medical system.

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              I don’t know of any nation that has single-payer that doesn’t also have private available. I’m not well-travelled so I don’t really know.

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          14 days ago

          While I’ve had a positive experience

          Let me guess, still on parents insurance or never had insurance through an employer?

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            13 days ago

            I’m 51. I’ve always had health insurance through my employer. Never an issue. Most of my career has been in tech companies where the insurance is much better than the average company I’ve discovered.

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              I’m only a few years younger and have pretty much always had shitty/non-existent insurance until the last decade.

              Without revealing too much about myself, my employer just switched their provider to UHC this year so you can imagine I’m watching all this intently.

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                I’ve had nothing but positive experiences with them and I’ve had them on and off for thirty years.

                That said, I think it’s because tech has better insurance than I realized. Many of the stories coming out are from uhc and I believe them

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      14 days ago

      Do you have any links to conservative takes on this? I know full well I am in a bubble and that’s the way I god damn like it. But in this case, knowing the universality of the sentiment would be really, umm, empowering?

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        Well I am a conservative and mostly associate with conservatives. Talking to my liberal friends, their take is almost identical to my Republican friends.

        I don’t think people realized how aligned everyone is on this issue.

        It’s the stories that are coming out that is making people talk about this topic. Those stories were ignored until the CEO was murdered.

        People denied cancer treatment. wtf.

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          I live in an area so red that if you saw it you’d say it was bleeding. The people here always, and I mean always, talk about how wrong it is for someone to act as a vigilante, and murder is wrong, and the insurance companies might be not-the-best, but it’s no excuse… bla bla bla. They think the woman here is in the wrong, and don’t even care.

          See the recent slew of posts about the new york times for the conservative take on the issue.

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          I’ve lost several friends who couldn’t afford cancer treatments. I have one now who is looking for some help because their current insurance doesn’t cover excision of diseased organ, and open enrollment is over.

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            Sorry to hear about your fiends. That’s bullshit.

            My dad died from cancer and the place where he worked was amazing. When you are out of work, you have to pay cobra.

            The owner of the company paid his full insurance till he died. My dad had only worked there a year or so. The owner said his employees are like family and he’d never let them be uninsured.

            Now the owner was wealthy but not that wealthy. He came to the funeral and brought his whole family.

            While it’s an amazing story, it sucks my dad could have been without insurance had it not been the the dentistry of his boss. The boss was also out of a lot of money and while he was wealthy, he wasn’t that wealthy.

            Nobody should have to deal with a chronic condition because of a lack of insurance. It’s a problem we need to solve and neither party really wants to solve it.

            I’m hoping Trump does something about it. This is his chance to blow everyone away with a solution. He’s supported a single payer system in the past. Let’s see him do it now.

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              Thank you so much for your kindness, it is so meaningful in the right way. I am sorry you lost your dad. Insurance is no guarantee of anything, but it does help ease financial burdens. It’s touching that a boss of an employee of one year had the kindness and compassion to cover your dad.

              No, neither party wants to rush the wrath of the owning class, and to be honest, I have a hard time imagining politicians will work toward meaningful changes until we fix the fact that an owning class exists. It’s our tax dollars, yet we have crumbling education, crumbling health, crumbling physical infrastructure, crumbling postal service, and “too big to fail” corporate interests, which if they had failed, would have tanked theglobal economy, not only our own.

              It’s almost like most people have depth and nuance, but are so mired in bs, that has to be moved away from ourselves to see it in others, even in ourselves, sometimes.

              We can hope, but getting mad and channeling that answer to working together for common causes is probably a good idea. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. If be honored to work alongside you, in spirit, since proximity is an immediate issue.

              Wishing you all the best.

              Side topic: does anyone know if there are Lemmy magazines dedicated to helping us find organizing groups in our individual areas? Tyia