And the reality is that Harris lost because her messaging entirely failed to account for the pain voters are still feeling. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.
The reality of election outcomes are entirely based on what voters believe.
Democrats are forever divided between two masters. They want to make voters happy, and they want to make their sponsors happy. The Harris campaign seemed to think they had the first part nailed down, so they spent the last month of a three month campaign super serving their donors.
Democratic consultants are notorious for running campaigns aimed at the Democratic consultant class, and they did it again. Nobody with any involvement in the Harris campaign should ever draw a salary from the Democratic party again, but Democrats just keep rewarding failure. The consultants who made a fortune running Hillary’s campaign came back and made another fortune running the Harris campaign. Harris may have lost, but they didn’t.
Harris lost because people would rather believe Trump’s comfortable lies than the uncomfortable truth. No decent, thinking person should ever vote for Trump. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.
But I do get that. However, I’m not sure what you think we can do about it. We do have people in society that have the job of influencing voters to vote differently. We call them politicians, and they influence votes through something called an effective campaign. I know that’s a weird concept for a lot of Democrats to grasp, but you should look into it.
I’m totally on board in saying that the voting public fucked up. However, I’m looking for solutions, not just someone to blame. I do not and will not believe that the American public was just unreachable - especially when the Harris campaign had so many gaping flaws. Some of us were watching in horror as Harris sunk her campaign and trying desperately to wake someone up. It’s nice to think that voters will bypass a shitty campaign to find the relevant information themselves, but it’s hardly realistic.
Trump won in spite of being a convicted felon, fraud, and adjudicated rapist who nearly destroyed the country with his mishandling of the pandemic during his last presidency. The problem wasn’t Harris’s campaign.
It’s nice to think that voters will bypass a shitty campaign to find the relevant information themselves, but it’s hardly realistic.
There is no “the problem”. Societies and elections are too complicated for that kind of reductionist reasoning.
Take value judgements out of it, and the fundamental truth is that the Trump campaign attracted and energized more voters than the Harris campaign. What knobs and switches could we have played with to get a different outcome? That is all I care about, and I don’t know how we are supposed to get better voters in less than four years with Republicans in power.
That is literally the basis of democracy.
Which is why democracy and capitalism are fundamentally incompatible, but that’s a much deeper conversation.
No decent, thinking person should ever vote for Trump.
And about a million fewer people than last time did vote for him. Unfortunately Harris and her campaign failed in their messaging so hard that 14 million people who voted for Biden stayed home.
This should have been an easy win, but Harris chose to be pro-genocide and pro-corporate so people had to hold their nose and vote for her. Americans are sick and tired of choosing the slightly less shitty of two very shitty choices so 15 million previous voters stayed home.
No. As stated, the Harris campaign strategy was the problem. Fewer people voted for Trump this year than in 2020. Harris just drove more people away with her conservative strategy and coseying up to Israel
I don’t buy it. Trump will without a doubt make things worse. That is obvious. People who pretend to care about Palestinians should have been doing everything they could to stop him from taking office.
But Mr ivory tower is right. What do we do now that we know everyone really is too stupid to understand that? What do we do now that a bunch of ignorant assholes prefer the lies?
You treat them like people, and you find out what their needs are, what their fears are. And you address those. Not like Trump did. Not fanning the flames of their worst emotions. But leading them. Like Obama did. Like Kennedy did. Inspiring them that you can change their lives for the better.
When someone’s worried that they’re not able to feed the children and you’re talking about climate change, you sound incredibly out of touch. When people are working two jobs and still can’t pay the light bill, and you’re talking about trans rights, you sound incredibly out of touch.
People don’t hate addressing climate change. People don’t hate trans people’s rights. What they hate is being ignored for those things. And Trump pointed them at that and made them mad.
Democrats are not selling themselves as the party of the poor or the middle class. They are selling themselves as the party of the fringe and the universities - and the poor and middle class feel betrayed.
No doubt, building is a harder job than destroying. Breaking is easier than making.
But they’re both creative acts. They both “change things”. It’s on us to message the one that’s productive.
Kennedy said “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!” Great speech phrasing, and he was an incredible speaker. But how do you sell that message?
You don’t ignore or disdain. You include. It’s hard damn work. But you can’t win assuming the voters will just “get it.”
Yeah, and your blasting everyone left of Hillary for not being Carl Sagan, and giving all the Alex Jones’s a pass because we weren’t nice enough to them.
It’s not realistic, I’d even be willing to argue it’s not logistically possible with the headwinds created by mass misinformation and a willful disregard for facts as the idiots seek solace in escapism.
The nice thing about reality is that it’s the same whether or not you believe it.
And the reality is that Harris lost because her messaging entirely failed to account for the pain voters are still feeling. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.
The reality of election outcomes are entirely based on what voters believe.
Democrats are forever divided between two masters. They want to make voters happy, and they want to make their sponsors happy. The Harris campaign seemed to think they had the first part nailed down, so they spent the last month of a three month campaign super serving their donors.
Democratic consultants are notorious for running campaigns aimed at the Democratic consultant class, and they did it again. Nobody with any involvement in the Harris campaign should ever draw a salary from the Democratic party again, but Democrats just keep rewarding failure. The consultants who made a fortune running Hillary’s campaign came back and made another fortune running the Harris campaign. Harris may have lost, but they didn’t.
Harris lost because people would rather believe Trump’s comfortable lies than the uncomfortable truth. No decent, thinking person should ever vote for Trump. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.
The uncomfortable truth is that capitalism doesn’t provide for all. Yet biden and Harris want to gaslight the populace that everything is doing great.
But I do get that. However, I’m not sure what you think we can do about it. We do have people in society that have the job of influencing voters to vote differently. We call them politicians, and they influence votes through something called an effective campaign. I know that’s a weird concept for a lot of Democrats to grasp, but you should look into it.
I’m totally on board in saying that the voting public fucked up. However, I’m looking for solutions, not just someone to blame. I do not and will not believe that the American public was just unreachable - especially when the Harris campaign had so many gaping flaws. Some of us were watching in horror as Harris sunk her campaign and trying desperately to wake someone up. It’s nice to think that voters will bypass a shitty campaign to find the relevant information themselves, but it’s hardly realistic.
Trump won in spite of being a convicted felon, fraud, and adjudicated rapist who nearly destroyed the country with his mishandling of the pandemic during his last presidency. The problem wasn’t Harris’s campaign.
That is literally the basis of democracy.
There is no “the problem”. Societies and elections are too complicated for that kind of reductionist reasoning.
Take value judgements out of it, and the fundamental truth is that the Trump campaign attracted and energized more voters than the Harris campaign. What knobs and switches could we have played with to get a different outcome? That is all I care about, and I don’t know how we are supposed to get better voters in less than four years with Republicans in power.
Which is why democracy and capitalism are fundamentally incompatible, but that’s a much deeper conversation.
And about a million fewer people than last time did vote for him. Unfortunately Harris and her campaign failed in their messaging so hard that 14 million people who voted for Biden stayed home.
This should have been an easy win, but Harris chose to be pro-genocide and pro-corporate so people had to hold their nose and vote for her. Americans are sick and tired of choosing the slightly less shitty of two very shitty choices so 15 million previous voters stayed home.
Between 70+ million who voted for Trump and 14 million who were apathetic, I think the bigger group is the bigger problem.
No. As stated, the Harris campaign strategy was the problem. Fewer people voted for Trump this year than in 2020. Harris just drove more people away with her conservative strategy and coseying up to Israel
I don’t buy it. Trump will without a doubt make things worse. That is obvious. People who pretend to care about Palestinians should have been doing everything they could to stop him from taking office.
Yes. As long as you recognize that the reality you just spoke of is that one guy in an ivory tower thought Biden did a good job.
But Mr ivory tower is right. What do we do now that we know everyone really is too stupid to understand that? What do we do now that a bunch of ignorant assholes prefer the lies?
Well to start with you don’t disdain them.
You treat them like people, and you find out what their needs are, what their fears are. And you address those. Not like Trump did. Not fanning the flames of their worst emotions. But leading them. Like Obama did. Like Kennedy did. Inspiring them that you can change their lives for the better.
When someone’s worried that they’re not able to feed the children and you’re talking about climate change, you sound incredibly out of touch. When people are working two jobs and still can’t pay the light bill, and you’re talking about trans rights, you sound incredibly out of touch.
People don’t hate addressing climate change. People don’t hate trans people’s rights. What they hate is being ignored for those things. And Trump pointed them at that and made them mad.
Democrats are not selling themselves as the party of the poor or the middle class. They are selling themselves as the party of the fringe and the universities - and the poor and middle class feel betrayed.
You’re forgetting the part where they prefer the lies.
Turns out Carl Sagan’s are rare, but practically anyone can be an Alex Jones.
No doubt, building is a harder job than destroying. Breaking is easier than making.
But they’re both creative acts. They both “change things”. It’s on us to message the one that’s productive.
Kennedy said “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!” Great speech phrasing, and he was an incredible speaker. But how do you sell that message?
You don’t ignore or disdain. You include. It’s hard damn work. But you can’t win assuming the voters will just “get it.”
Yeah, and your blasting everyone left of Hillary for not being Carl Sagan, and giving all the Alex Jones’s a pass because we weren’t nice enough to them.
It’s not realistic, I’d even be willing to argue it’s not logistically possible with the headwinds created by mass misinformation and a willful disregard for facts as the idiots seek solace in escapism.
Well then we’re doomed. Because hoping people “get it” and vote correctly doesn’t work, tangibly.
The other option is lie to them better than the Republicans do.
If you’re suffering, it’s because you’re stupid. Vote for us!