Sometimes even people who have lived through a collapse don’t understand it. My family lived through the collapse of socialism in eastern Europe in the 80s and 90s, and yet since moving to Germany my parents have fully bought into the dominant ideology here, they listen to all the liberal mainstream media and it’s turned them into total turbolibs. When you bring up the possibility of a serious crash because of the energy/deindustrialization crisis they say that can’t happen in democratic countries like Germany, it only happened in Romania because it was a communist dictatorship. And it was supposedly good that it happened because that was “the market correcting itself”, there was “too much” industry and building under communism.
What’s funny is that the part of my family that stayed in Romania are not buying the western liberal line to the same extent. They’re split between nostalgia for communism in my grandparents’ generation and full on petit bourgeois reactionary brainworms in the generation after them, especially in the more well off ones, complaining about welfare, criminal ethnic minorities, and adopting all the standard American conservative talking points (“woke” this, “woke” that, trans panic, too much racial/gender diversity on TV, etc.).
Really shows how much impact media has on the views people hold. Next few years are going to be very interesting to watch as the liberal order starts visibly collapsing. I predict that we’ll be seeing a reverse of the 90s where people in the west lose faith in their system, while China will become increasingly more confident in theirs.
It’s really something to see an area decline in your lifetime
Like the poster above,I’m from Romania,born after the fall of communism and I actively remember there being more people in my town when I was young (I’m still living here for the time being)
Now,to be fair,it’s a smaller town,less populated area,but both me and my mom who now works and practically lives in Norway can recall a time when there were more people in the city
When I was born we had almost 100k people,the biggest recorded population in our history,and now we’re at something below 65k,it’s really wild,I can recall the town being a little more lively,but now it’s not empty,but just…it feels like something is missing
That must be pretty grim to watch. I imagine that’s probably happening all over Europe now as cost of living keep climbing and opportunities become scarce. People who can end up leaving for greener pastures.
Sometimes even people who have lived through a collapse don’t understand it. My family lived through the collapse of socialism in eastern Europe in the 80s and 90s, and yet since moving to Germany my parents have fully bought into the dominant ideology here, they listen to all the liberal mainstream media and it’s turned them into total turbolibs. When you bring up the possibility of a serious crash because of the energy/deindustrialization crisis they say that can’t happen in democratic countries like Germany, it only happened in Romania because it was a communist dictatorship. And it was supposedly good that it happened because that was “the market correcting itself”, there was “too much” industry and building under communism.
What’s funny is that the part of my family that stayed in Romania are not buying the western liberal line to the same extent. They’re split between nostalgia for communism in my grandparents’ generation and full on petit bourgeois reactionary brainworms in the generation after them, especially in the more well off ones, complaining about welfare, criminal ethnic minorities, and adopting all the standard American conservative talking points (“woke” this, “woke” that, trans panic, too much racial/gender diversity on TV, etc.).
Really shows how much impact media has on the views people hold. Next few years are going to be very interesting to watch as the liberal order starts visibly collapsing. I predict that we’ll be seeing a reverse of the 90s where people in the west lose faith in their system, while China will become increasingly more confident in theirs.
It’s really something to see an area decline in your lifetime
Like the poster above,I’m from Romania,born after the fall of communism and I actively remember there being more people in my town when I was young (I’m still living here for the time being)
Now,to be fair,it’s a smaller town,less populated area,but both me and my mom who now works and practically lives in Norway can recall a time when there were more people in the city
When I was born we had almost 100k people,the biggest recorded population in our history,and now we’re at something below 65k,it’s really wild,I can recall the town being a little more lively,but now it’s not empty,but just…it feels like something is missing
That must be pretty grim to watch. I imagine that’s probably happening all over Europe now as cost of living keep climbing and opportunities become scarce. People who can end up leaving for greener pastures.