I’m still not entirely convinced by their debunking of the rapes(, not that i care, murder is worse than rape, being tortured dozens of minutes beforehand is still only marginally worse in comparison to the eternity of death, and we(sterners) have done so much more barbaric in our “prisons”, sometimes for years), but i can’t trust our journalists who don’t have the necessary time to investigate before publishing, nor Israel who lies at least as much as our western governments(, if not even more).

According to Paul Linebarger, atrocity propaganda leads to real atrocities, as it incites the enemy into committing more atrocities, and, by heating up passions, it increases the chances of one’s own side committing atrocities, in revenge for the ones reported in propaganda.[5]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

Some quotes :

“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
Hannah Arendt

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“The propagandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human.”
Aldous Huxley

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“For the powerful, crimes are those that others commit.”
Noam Chomsky

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“If any question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied.”
Rudyard Kipling

    • soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.mlOP
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      1 month ago

      Yep, even if it was to underline that they continued to lie afterwards, the documentary could have talked about the famous instance of the “Hamas calendar”(, i don’t remember all of their lies), that hospitals or civil structures’ destruction was justified because it was a “Hamas base”, or when they said that it was a headquarter and they faked the existence of tunnels(, i.i.r.c.), or showed a picture of weapons in the m.r.i. room, and the first thing they did was to disable the c.c.t.v.s in the hospital when they came in, and their refusal to let journalists investigate anything, and many more, this documentary only focuses on the 7th of October, but it’d have been nice to list of the lies shamelessly brought in any conflict.
      Also worth watching, among others : https://youtu.be/kPE6vbKix6A
      And even if everyone knows, an article in April wrote that « Up to 57% of buildings in the Strip have been destroyed or damaged, according to analysis carried out at the University of Oregon » (here), and it wasn’t in the crossfire of a war, just a plain unilateral destruction by anti-palestinians.

      A simple, but accurate i think, way to paint the situation would be to write that Israel is saying : « Love/Accept us unconditionally, or die », this unconditionally is what’s unaccepted and what should be the topic of discussion in medias seeking a solution.
      Especially because the conditions are exceedingly simple : their treatment of palestinians(, including the refugees/exiled,) with their capital in East Jerusalem, the removal of all of their illegal colonies, and a.n alignment/friendliness with its neighbors. I’m ashamed that they ask for almost nothing in exchange for Israel’s implementation.
      If that’s indeed the case and they don’t have other demands, then it’s important to note that the first&third conditions arise from the second one : remove the colonies, create a second state and help palestinians, and they’ll make peace with their neighbours.
      As for making peace with Hamas as well, or a palestinian political party emerging from this good will, i can’t predict the future, even future governments will continue to be hated, Israel will stay safe as long as Palestine will be less developed, and they can play on their relations with their new friendly neighbours during the following decades to influence the future generations of palestinians.
      A long edit to simply point out that the existence of the colonies(, and refusal of a palestinian state with East-Jerusalem as its capital,) is the only demand of their neighbours, when i discovered that i was surprised, Iran included at least officially sometimes, and Israel is still refusing, their greed is the only threat to their security.
      (Or i’m wrong, and israelis are right to believe that they’ll never be accepted even by agreeing to a two-states solution(, which will eventually peacefully reunite one day), and removing their colonies, with nuclear weapons, etc., in which case beating people&countries into submission would be their way forward, overthrowing any country as long as they’re not unconditionally accepted.)

      It’s worth adding something, because if the problem isn’t (only )their greed, but their belief that making concessions wouldn’t prevent a.n invasion&destruction of Israel, solely because promises can be broken, then the problem is solvable :

      • First, they’ll need to obtain the words of all their neighbours, including palestinians if possible(, that’d probably be a requirement for Lebanon, Yemen, Iran, …). Palestinians should at least ask for 50% of Israel’s territory, as well as hundreds/thousands of billions for palestinian( refugees). Israelis can write ahead that they will aim for a peaceful reunification for future generations, as some countries do.
      • Then, the hardest part is done and they’re saved. While they’ll not only have to act in the future for a stronger u.n., they can right now emit a range of measures ensuring continued good relations, with medias and populations polling requirements, with economic relations/interconnectedness, an efficient military&judiciary protection shared between each other(, while waiting for an even more effective protection/security in the future for every country), … If these requirements aren’t met by their neighbours and there’s no attempt at following them, then sanctions by the whole community would take effect, if Israel’s reason to refuse removing their colonies isn’t their greed but that weakening themselves wouldn’t solve anything, and that you simply can’t negotiate with people who refuse to negotiate, then they’d have to work on these requirements but they can be satisfied, it isn’t that hard, so i’m refusing the validity of the only reason i see for them to refuse giving up their settlements and finally making peace with their neighbours.