Mona: Australia women's-only museum files appeal to keep men out
www.bbc.com
Australia's Mona asked a court to reverse its ruling that allowed men inside a women's only space.

Australia’s Mona asked a court to reverse its ruling that allowed men inside a women’s only space.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/oHT6U

  • over_clox@lemmy.world
    1118·
    6 months ago

    Quoting the law doesn’t make the laws right in any regard. I’m pretty sure that if you asked Picasso, if he were alive of course, that he would heavily protest the discrimination and encourage anyone mature enough to view his works.

    Same typically goes for almost any artist. They didn’t go through the trouble of creating the art only to end up with others saying who does or doesn’t get to view it.

    Matter of fact, did Picasso or any of the other artists leave a will? Or for any of the artists that might still be alive or with living descendants, do they get a word in about it?

    They should.

    • protist@mander.xyzEnglish
      274·
      6 months ago

      She’s not saying the law is right…

      Also Picasso was a renowned chauvinist and misogynist who had affairs with teenagers as a 70 year old and put out a cigarette on the cheek of the mother of two of his children

      • over_clox@lemmy.world
        122·
        6 months ago

        How does everyone know my last name?

        Not all Chauvins fit that stereotype. Would be nice if people would stop using my last name as a broad insult. But hell, I can’t expect discriminatory people to leave my family name out of their mouth.

        That would be too much like a step in the right direction.

          • over_clox@lemmy.world
            122·
            6 months ago

            Nah not really. I’m almost 42 years old and have heard my last name used as a sexist insult my whole life.

            People that use that word in an insulting manner are sexist. You just used that word.

            You just did a 2+2. Maybe you should try doing a 2-2, and remove that and other sexist terms from your descriptive vocabulary.

            It’s not an adjective, it’s a family name.

            • protist@mander.xyzEnglish
              17·
              6 months ago

              I’m gonna need an explanation for how using a word in context with its dictionary definition is “sexist.” Sorry this is unpleasant for you, but I’ve never come across someone with the last name “Chauvin” and been like “oh there goes that chauvinist.” Lots of last names have entered English as descriptors of things, eg sadism from the Marquis de Sade and masochism from Leopold von Sacher-Masoch.

              chauvinism (n.)

              1840, “exaggerated, blind nationalism; patriotism degenerated into a vice,” from French chauvinisme (1839), from the character Nicholas Chauvin, soldier of Napoleon’s Grand Armee, who idolized Napoleon and the Empire long after it was history, in the Cogniards’ popular 1831 vaudeville “La Cocarde Tricolore.” The meaning was extended to “excessive belief in the superiority of one’s race” in late 19c. in communist jargon, and to (male) “sexism” in late 1960s via male chauvinist (q.v.).

              Anyway, the point is Picasso was terrible to women. Many women.

              • over_clox@lemmy.world
                113·
                6 months ago

                Also, and this is the last I’ll comment, since you brought up ancient dictionary terms. The N word used to be defined as a tool.

                But I have better sense than to carry on antiquated offensive words in that way. I’d hope others can learn to try dropping offensive use of words in their modern vocabulary as well.

                You’re not wrong though, Picasso and others were a bit pervy. So was Albert Einstein. And yes that’s very disappointing.

                You have every right to object to their works if you want. That doesn’t mean that mature people shouldn’t be allowed to view and critique their works in their own way.

                I hope we can agree to disagree, but yeah I don’t use the 1800’s definition of a ‘tool’, because it’s 2024 and I have more respect than to refer to antiquated dictionaries for insulting words.

              • over_clox@lemmy.world
                116·
                6 months ago

                I’ll make one last short response…

                Your comments strike me as if you’d be the type to support adding the name “Karen” to the official dictionary as an official insult and ruin the name for more than a century.

                Maybe you could reflect on that and actually try to help break that pattern, and help let innocent people have a name that isn’t insulted another century from now.

                Or maybe you’d like to bring up Albert and Elsa Einstein? Sure, let’s just not appreciate the works of creative people because they did inappropriate things…

              • over_clox@lemmy.world
                121·
                6 months ago

                Yes, Nicholas is at the very top of my official knighted family tree. Again, it’s a family name. Should never have been used in any sort of derogatory adjective form, whether back in 1840 or in 1960, or anywhere in between or since.

                Believe me, I know my roots, and I know that I don’t agree with the sexism use of my last name. You’re quoting a definition that came up in a very prejudiced era from the 1960s, back when certain people weren’t allowed to do certain things, such as drink from the wrong water fountain.

                You sure do seem to know a lot about these antiquated discriminatory words don’t you? Have you considered trying to like not refer to dictionaries written in discriminatory times?

                Back on point, yes I’ve gathered that Picasso wasn’t all that great of a dude. Neither was Mozart, he had a shit fetish. Does that stop people from appreciating their artistic works?

                • protist@mander.xyzEnglish
                  20·
                  6 months ago

                  I think you have a backward view of what sexism in the 60s looked like, and at this point can’t tell if you’re trolling, since Nicholas Chauvin was a fictional character.

                  And my god man, I have no beef with Picasso and never said no one should appreciate Picasso’s works. I was arguing with you:

                  I’m pretty sure that if you asked Picasso, if he were alive of course, that he would heavily protest the discrimination and encourage anyone mature enough to view his works.

                  • over_clox@lemmy.world
                    119·
                    6 months ago

                    Nicholas was most certainly not a fictional character. Try getting an actual official Chauvin family tree ancestry and read over it. You’ll see.