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    I just dont get it

    I mean it’s not complicated. If you don’t want to use Windows, your options are:

    1. Pay thousands for a Mac computer that may not have the features you want, and never be able to upgrade or repair it, or

    2. Get a software engineering degree so you can figure out how to install, use and regularly debug Linux. Because even techy people you know that might want to help you don’t know anything about Linux.

    There just aren’t many options for “normies”.

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      I walked my 83 year old dad through a Linux Mint install on his laptop over the phone a few weeks ago when the Windows install shit the bed. All he needs is a browser, he’s good now.

      Get out of here with that “software engineering degree” BS.

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        8 months ago

        And this is why it will never be more popular: A community that refuses to acknowledge the shortcomings, and animosity for anyone who questions it or asks for support.

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          It is easier more than ever to install linux today.

          The issue boils down to the fact that the number of people that never installed an OS is pretty high.

          Most people buy their laptop and roll with the OS installed. Microsoft paid a lot to be the default choice and we have the market we have today.

          But if you check your email and browse internet, any OS will work.

          The strength and weakness of Linux, is that there is many ways to skin a cat. But it can get confusing really fast, even if you are tech savvy.

          Habits die hard and Microsoft and Apple were pretty good at capturing the market.

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            It is easier more than ever to install linux today.

            People like to use words like “easy” and “hard” to describe clicking buttons and typing letters into a display. These are the wrong words. The word is “complicated”.

            Doesn’t matter if it’s easier, the fact remains that it is complicated and likely always will be.

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              The process to install Ubuntu vs Windows is pretty much the same.

              Create a user, choose a timezone, connect to Wi-Fi or LAN and wait for setup to finish. It is not complicated by any mean.

              As I mentioned, most people never install an OS in their life, so they don’t know how to create a boot drive and install an OS.

              So the issue isn’t that installing Linux is complicated, it’s that installing an OS on an empty drive is not a thing that the vast majority of pc users has done or will ever do.

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                So the issue isn’t that installing Linux is complicated, it’s that installing an OS on an empty drive is not a thing that the vast majority of pc users has done

                It’s both

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                  Have you tried to install Ubuntu recently? It is as straight forward as it is.

                  It is not a complicated process no matter how you look at it.

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                    I’ve installed a dozen distros. I’ve also tried to assist others in installing them. It doesn’t go well.

                    Installation is only the beginning of the problems though.

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            Linux is great until it isn’t. As soon as you venture outside of whatever packages user interfaces offer you, the “degree” analogy applies. For some, the thought of editing a text file to configure an option blows their mind.

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            you’d be better off stating people are too lazy to install Linux.

            Call it what you want, the fact remains and will persist until something changes.

            Just because they proved you completely wrong

            LOL they did no such thing.

            and millions of others using Linux daily prove you wrong

            Well if you’re going to put it that way, billions of Windows users prove that I’m right daily.

            Just accept the L and move on.

            Back at ya.

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        Lmfao guess he doesn’t need you to help him setup his email port settings or have any issues with audio drivers or any of the other common issues we see with Linux installs.

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          Why would a random 83 year old set up his own email port configs? He signs into gmail.com like everyone else, let’s be realistic if we’re gonna talk shit

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            I worked for an ISP residential tech support for 3 years. Don’t tell me what’s realistic lmfao. I experienced it very, very often. And they sure as fuck couldn’t do it in windows.

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              We can compare anecdotes if you want, I’ve been in tech twice as long as you were and I can count on one hand the number of people doing their own IMAP setup. That remains the same if you go back to me being a child.

              There’s no need to be a dick man, this is a nerd forum for awarding fake internet points. Chill out.

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                Still in tech, 9 years now lol. Again. People do and they run into issue with it. Denying my perspective and acting like it’s invalid is obnoxious.

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          No, because like 99% of people on this planet, he uses webmail, and I haven’t seen audio fail out of the box on a Linux install in 15 years.

          Roflmao lol omg bbq

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            99% of the planet don’t use webmail. Fair that you haven’t seen one. I’ve read it recently and often though so :shrug:

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      Pay thousands for a Mac computer that may not have the features you want, and never be able to upgrade or repair it, or

      M1 Air costs USD $750 where I live.

      Get a software engineering degree so you can figure out how to install, use and regularly debug Linux. Because even techy people you know that might want to help you don’t know anything about Linux.

      Hyperbole to sell an easily disprovable false narrative. For what?

      Calm down and eat your lunch, Helen.